Brand Blaze (Passive) damage increased from [2% of max health] to [4% of max health]
Like Brands problem is his dmg, like what the actual fuck is this balance team man. They always buff the wrong shit and then we wonder why the game is over 10 mins in. Brand always has higherst dmg in almost every game and you double his passive dmg ? LOL OK
Enderspider92 votesno we need more ashe skins
lofi n chillhop3 votesno we need more ashe skins
thanks for rooting for the right cause :D
Dasdi9643 votesThey should buff his ap ratios not his base %damage, I don't want more brand support shedding everyone in a teamfight with just 
Barcid15 votesWell that was always kind of how Brand worked.
His scaling has always 100% sucked ass, but you weren't picking him for that - you picked Brand for the asinine amount of AoE he did by comparison to practically all champions. He dropped bombs in teamfights and with his high bases and % health damage could critically wound and kill tank and ADC's alike.
The issue, now until forever, is that this was inconsistent as fuck. His ult has a bit of a random element to it so it could just as easily fuck up and not do what he wanted as work perfectly. It also relied heavily on people being bunched together, so a team that spread out would usually see Brand being far below optimal. So what do you do to fix that?
Riot attempted to fix this and... well, didn't necessarily fail, but didn't really succeed, either. On top of this, the core items he builds that entirely compliment his kit - and are supposed to since his DoT is delicious - have all been long since gimped to near useless. The issue with all of this is Riot is basically patching up the wrong fuckin' boo-boo - Brand isn't so much weak as his itemization is fucking trash tier. His best items are memes like his fuckin' dreams.
Theorex4 votesAP itemization since Mid Season Mage Update LUL
Cause, its effecting pretty much every single mid laner. That doesn't want 20% cdr right away with 100 AP. So anyone that wants to start RoA Tear or Gunblade.
But its okay. Because like 50% of the champions are allowed to be viable
Starcraft243ver2 votesActually, Brand lost it's keystone (DFT) and adaptive helm came into the game, sooo, maybe he needs some boost in damages to compensate ?
Woodakoodashooda29 votesSupport Brand deals more damage to enemy champions than ADC.
But now with passive damage up...
: I deal more percent health damage now. Who else in the bottom lane can do that?
: I emerge from the shadows to answer the call.
: Ready to set the world on fire?
: There will be no escape for the wicked, we will cleanse this land of those who oppose us.
Barkley16 votesWhen I play Brand support, I routinely double the next highest person's damage. On the map, not just on my team. Everyone.
His damage is already absolutely fucking insane. And now he'll do more. Because "Balance".
Used to be that it was obvious Riot's balancing team CLEARLY played their own product. Now I'm not even sure if they know which game they're working on.
FuhrerRico7 votesAs a brand second main, I guarantee you are either straight up lying or heavily exaggerating. It is common to do the most, second, or thrid most damage as brand support, but RARELY will you ever double the next highest except if you're lucky or everyone else is playing like dogshit. So cool it man, we get that you really don't like brand and want him to stay shitty
Barkley5 votesYour experience in this game = Gospel, and cannot be questioned My experience in this game = stupid, garbage, clearly lies, and completely idiotic.
Got it. Sound logic.
Starcraft243ver10 votesYou're right, let's check the facts :
This is your ranked match history on brand :
https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-history/NA/39030581?champion=63&matchType=2
Game : Screenshot - Damage position overall (1 : best / 10 : worst) - doubled the second best damage:
1 : https://i.imgur.com/rPpiER0.png - 5th - NO 2 : https://i.imgur.com/JiG3LEn.png - 9th - NO 3 : https://i.imgur.com/6vqXglb.png - 2nd - NO 4 : https://i.imgur.com/0Fmv5zV.png - 2nd - NO 5 : https://i.imgur.com/siHHAMv.png - 1st - NO 6 : https://i.imgur.com/Rh66Tbz.png - 7th - NO 7 : https://i.imgur.com/BxQNorr.png - 2nd - NO 8 : https://i.imgur.com/6BacIRh.png - 5th - NO 9 : https://i.imgur.com/aFPQgd8.png - 1st - NO 10 : https://i.imgur.com/uSYI63y.png - 5th - NO 11 : https://i.imgur.com/pCnNJjp.png - 7th - NO 12 : https://i.imgur.com/m7NjNln.png - 5th - NO 13 : https://i.imgur.com/OZgWEzA.png - 3rd - NO
So lets check your claims :
When I play Brand support, I routinely double the next highest person's damage. On the map, not just on my team. Everyone.
No. Or you have a very personal definition or "routinely".
Let's check FuhrerRico claims :
As a brand second main, I guarantee you are either straight up lying or heavily exaggerating.
Sounds like he's right.
It is common to do the most, second, or thrid most damage as brand support,
6/13 game where you are top 3 damages, so, yes it's common, he's right again.
**Fact checked. **
Your experience in this game = Gospel, and cannot be questioned My experience in this game = stupid, garbage, clearly lies, and completely idiotic.
He's not questionning your experience, your experience doesnt lie and totaly validates what FuhrerRico is saying. He is questionning the way your percieve your experience.
Barkley1 votesI commend you on your ability to dig up pointless facts to support your claims, but I've been playing since s1 and have a hell of a lot more than 13 games on brand. Hundreds. Maybe (probably not) a thousand.
A+ for effort, though. Gave me a good chuckle. Maybe next time you can use your time a bit more wisely, maybe by... idk...looking up how to spell "questioning"
Starcraft243ver5 votesGames from seasons, 1,2,3,4,5,6 and even from season 7 are irrevelant to the discussion, since the interesting point here is "does current brand in current meta/balance state of the game needs this buff". (Especially since he losts his dft keystone)
A+ for effort, though. Gave me a good chuckle. Maybe next time you can use your time a bit more wisely
Digging to find the truth is always wiser than spreading fake information :)
Barkley1 votesThat may be the point you find interesting, but it's got nothing to do with my claim.
It's right up there, a couple lines. Re read it if you like.
Starcraft243ver5 votesYour claims :
When I play Brand support, I routinely double the next highest person's damage. On the map, not just on my team. Everyone.
His damage is already absolutely fucking insane. And now he'll do more. Because "Balance".
Used to be that it was obvious Riot's balancing team CLEARLY played their own product. Now I'm not even sure if they know which game they're working on.
Your 1,2,3 by different means are aiming to support the fact brand already deals enough damages and doesnt need this balance change.
Troll for Trump6 votesStarcraft243ver1 votesThe riot game API tells me you played 34 games on brand in ranked for the last 3 seasons. :)
Barkley1 votesYeah that is 100% not even close to true. lmfao.
Troll for Trump13 votesFirst Brand isn't doing well in this meta. He has one of the lowest support winrates right now, in conjunction with a low playrate. Even his mains aren't doing super hot right now Second he does a lot of damage in teamfights, but not in lane trades, especially w/o ult Third you need to consider Brand mid. Brand mid has needed help for a long time
doubleguac8 votesBrand mid's problem isn't raw damage potential. It's that he has trouble accessing his damage because of high mana costs and mobile lane opponents. He has a ton of bad matchups. He has to choose between wave clear and trading (unlike a lot of modern mages). He doesn't necessarily roam that well.
I don't know how you fix those problems, but I agree with OP: giving him way more %health damage doesn't seem like the best way to do it.
Base damage (esp. %health) is going to disproportionately affect his support build anyway.
EDIT: fixed a very confusing typo
Troll for Trump3 votesI really think he needs another rework (more major one). Look at how binary and bland his abilities are for a fire-based champ (same with annie). The only reason he's viable is because Riot slapped more dmg onto him with (you guessed it) a 3-"hit" passive in the Mid-Year Mage Update.
doubleguac9 votesI think his abilities all look and feel pretty good. It's just tough to be a skill shot combo mage against super mobile targets.
I do think the 3-hit passive makes him pretty extreme. Brand always did a ton of damage if he actually landed his combo. They dumped even more damage onto his best case scenario. Maybe they should have done a little more to help him when he has a bad match up?
Like, IDK, bake some wave clear/mana sustain into his kit. "Brand gets x mana back for every target he hits with hit conflagration." Now W still costs a ton of mana if he's using it to trade, but he gets some back if he's using W/E to wave clear. (Not saying that's actually a good solution... it's just the kind of thing they could do).
I agree that annie doesn't feel super thematic for a fire caster.
Troll for Trump2 votesCompare Brand to SMITE's Agni and Sol, HoTS's Ragnaros, Battlerite's Ashka or DoTA's Ember Spirit/ Pheonix, or better yet, any of the newer League character's.
Brand's kit feels really uncreative
Skorch1 votesYou mean a mage who every ability does damage?
Thats not an exclusively brand thing.
Troll for Trump2 votesWhat? No, stop looking at the numbers, look at what the abilities look like and how they work. Compare that to "dot passive" "skillshot" "aoe circle" "spread passive on click" and "point and click bouncy ball"
The R and E are fine, but the passive, Q, and W, which are the most important parts of his kit, are all pretty bland
Skorch5 votes
"Mana on auto" "skillshot" "AOE circle" "skillshot that stuns" "several aoe circle skillshots"
"What are boots?" "aoe circle" "several slowing aoe circles" "point and click damage" "cone attack that sometimes slows, sometimes stuns."
"Health regen" "auto that silences" "damage resist" "aoe damage" "point and click damage"
Simple =/= bland, taking abilities at minimalist value =/= bland.
Not every champion has to be 
or 
to be fun.
Joseraph1 votesAllow me to interject on Cass, her Q speeds her up and her E has low but mounting damage on a low cooldown. Combo'd together, it gives her this feeling of being a slippery as fuck snake zipping around the combat field, orb walking between skillshots. Her W stops dashes which feels cool to hit, and her ult also has a pretty cool flash mechanic on it, and you have to make sure that you're facing your enem to make it work which is a whole nother mind game.
Now, I've only played Xerath once, but I'll take a stab at it. The long range on his W and E, and the charge-up on his super long and narrow Q make him feel like an artillery cannon, and there's nothing as cool as using his ult, you can almost hear the "ORBITAL CANNON FIRING".
Garen is the most boring fucking champion in this entire game. He's just a sword guy. At least Pantheon has the mandrop.
Brand suffers from almost the same issue. All his abilities don't really scream "Fire". If you changed all his abilities to some ambiguous magic, and gave him one of Ryze's old model's it honestly wouldn't feel that different. There's nothing really even satisfying about him. You just walk up, missdrop all your abilities and walk out on half mana until they come back up.
NineTailedMystic2 votesLike, IDK, bake some wave clear/mana sustain into his kit
He already does have mana sustain.
Killing an enemy that is Blaze Ablaze restores 6 - 18 (based on level) mana.
Resolution1 votesFirst Brand isn't doing well in this meta. He has one of the lowest support winrates right now, in conjunction with a low playrate. Even his mains aren't doing super hot right now Second he does a lot of damage in teamfights, but not in lane trades, especially w/o ult Third you need to consider Brand mid. Brand mid has needed help for a long time
He's in a lot worse of a state than previous seasons. He used to be my main support, but it's so much easier playing Leona and Nami currently.
Troll for Trump8 votesI used to main mid Brand.
Yeah.... Yeah no, that doesn't work anymore
Ahri Baka10 votesSoooo brand is gonna be pick or ban?
Skorch6 votesIf you are pick or banning brand for 2% passive hp damage in THIS meta there are serious issues.
LordForrest10 votesYou do realize that AOE mages always tend to have the highest damage dealt, right? Because they are AOE they hit more things with a single spell. Its even stronger on Brand and Zyra because they have AOE combined with DOTs. It almost doesn't matter how shitty I do playing Zyra or Brand, as long as I make an effort in teamfights I will have the highest damage dealt to enemy champions because of that.
That doesn't mean that they are really strong either. Just that is easy for them to rack up damage dealt.
FuhrerRico3 votesWell said amigo.
PPPPPPPPPPPP27010 votesIt's because Brand has nothing else in his kit other than fucking damage and a 1.75 second stun. Everything in his kit is accomplished to do as much damage as possible. With almost nothing else to provide.
If you were to make a bingo chart of things a champion has in their kit. Brand would struggle to even fill in his board with anything.
It Hertz When IP3 votesAoE, waveclear, single-target burst, stun, slow on ult, AoE nuke (assuming 2+ enemies standing near each other during ult).
He brings about as much as Veigar, only more %maxHP and less flat damage.
FutureCreator1 votesHis ult is a pretty long slow, which is pretty strong in teamfights. Besides he always gets rylais which works with his passive, so there's another perma slow. (yes it's not in his kit, but it's still present in almost every brand's build)
Meep Man7 votesIf the enemy has full stack thats 12% max health over 4 seconds from 6%.
SweedishGunner6 votesBrand is and has been sleeper OP for a while. He's just not that popular thankfully, because I hate playing against Brand.
Deathfire1 voteslol brands winrate drops the higher elo you are... to a gold player he may seem OP but he's really quite simple to outplay. 1.5 million mastery diamond brand main here
Jezbo5 votesAn immobile mage does damage? HERESY!
Malicious Fury3 votesBrand has higherst dmg in almost every game
Well he does a TON of aoe damage in team fights because his whole kit is designed to hit an entire team of 5. Anyone that's used damage meters in popular MMORPG's knows that when fighting groups of enemies, AoE players do the most damage.
Ok sure but why1 votesAt least they didn't buff his flat damage, so poor ADC's still have at least SOME chance against him
JackMcSnipeyz5 votesas if brand has ANY problem dealing with squishy targets ??
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