So Zilean is garbo after the rework, maybe he should get a real W?

Shadow Gilgamesh··16 votes·1,215 views

Since his rework, Zilean has been in a rough spot. A big part of that is that a rare stun scenario didn't really trade in enough power for the loss of a point and click on his bombs. Making the priority system work better would definitely be a good start, but I feel like our time wizard might need something more.

One of the changes in his rework made it so his W no longer interacts with his ult, so now it's kind of a weird move that does nothing but make his bombs and speed buff/debuff usable twice in a row early game, and usuable every 4 seconds instead of whatever the cooldowns are on Q and E late game. The move just feels... archaic, like some better idea probably should have come along and replaced it long ago (and his Q put on an ammo system). It doesn't even have to be a whole new move, it could still be an interactive ability with the rest of his kit, just a little less simple and boring, a shield on an ally with a bomb, an increase in explosion radius on an enemy with a bomb, tenacity on a speeded unit, attack speed debuff on slowed unit for example.

I dunno, maybe I'm just talking out my ass.

13 Comments

Daedalus87110 votes

He needs a real passive too.

khorney3 votes

No get a new q. Hard worthless skill shot to land

Kitten of Evil3 votes

I've been saying this ever since the change. His W is effectively a wasted spot that ONLY exists to use Q twice. It's the only move I can think of in the entire game that only empowers one other move -- most other empower moves affect two or three other moves (Karma ult, Heimer ult, Zyra W affects her Q and E), or passively empower auto-attacks (Twisted Fate's E, Vayne's W).

Give him a real W please Rito!

Karn Bot2 votes

Maybe if he hits an enemy champ with his bomb, the CD is reduced? That way he can still stun champs, but he can also get a real W :P

YvieZileanOddly3 votes

Actually his w helps his speed and slow as well for better get aways/catches.

Just saying.

Also I don't mind the w but please give him a real passive. They nerfed his passive from global and didn't compensate it at all. Honestly he might as well not have a passive at this point, it's that bad. I don't mind the concempt behind it, but should probably increase the amount as you level, so you can actually keep a consistent level advantage.

Kitten of Evil1 votes

I mean, it CAN help his E, but if you save it to use on E, you can't double-Q anymore.

Rinky Dinky3 votes

He's only garbo because of how bad his Q hitbox is.

Buff that shit PLEASE lol

UPfreely2 votes

they could make it so your next q and/or e triggered no cd, would probably fix him right there

kile1472 votes

Nah this is kind of true, the move makes a lot of sense for his lore, but an ammo system would probably feel better to play with. Maybe make his W like a weaker version of his ult that he could use to win trades. His W could make a small portion of his health bar change color (green -> orange idk) and after a short period if any of that health had been lost it would be restored. He could still die while under its effect (wouldn't resurrect like ult), and it would essentially function as a shield except that it restores lost health instead of giving "ghost" health.

BXNYC2 votes

I just want his old Q back at least.... Just played him for the first time since the rework over the weekend and I absolutely hate him now... He's unplayable to me

Kiech Bepho2 votes

I would love to see: Dump current passive and move ult to the passive. This would auto save someone every few minutes. Q is the same, but add charges based on level. W changed to passive AOE cool down aura. E stays the same. Ult slows EVERYTHING on the map (projectiles, speed, turrets, dot affects, cool-downs, timers) to 99% except Zillean for 3/4/5 seconds.

No more button mashing, keeps his core, and becomes the undisputed master of time.

ntsimon1132241 votes

Zilean's Q is the only damage source (90% AP), its damage and stun is great but the landing chance is usually 1/4. Zilean Q's projectile speed is relatively slower than Corki's and Nami's Q. Also Zilean 's Q 'pick-up' AoE is small as ant scale.

I suggest the Q should be re-editted with easier, quick aim like LeeSin 's or Ezreal's Q, which attaches the bomb to the first single target it hits. In a trade of decreasing Zilean 's Q AP scale.

Blastermine1 votes

Zilean has had a terrible win rate ever since they removed his global passive.

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