I hope that you're ready to buff the shit out of Thresh if this goes through

Ahristocats··7 votes·664 views

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Relic Shield Health lowered from 75 to 50 Targon's Brace Health lowered from 175 to 125

Alistar Braum TahmKench Taric are dominating high elo and lcs with nearly 100% pick/ban

LET'S NERF EVERYONE BECAUSE OF THEM!- Riot

thanks, really thanks i enjoy not being able to lane as Thresh already in high elo, because you fcking didn't compensate him for the nerf of relic healing on ranged champions

but now i also get to lose 50 hp from targon, what a fcking joke

thresh in never picked in pro he's almost never picked in high elo over tahm/braum

and now the nerf of relic+targon is going to make him a horrible pick over Janna Lulu too

So telegraphed, delayed, squishy as fuck unlike Braum TahmKench , but he still gets to lose 50 hp which is huge because his base stats are already the worst in league. If only he could negate instantly a melee like braum/tahm but instead, he has a 0.75 sec delay on his hook, his E is also delayed and is a shitty 25 units knock back but braum gets to instantly stun you by hitting you in a teamfight if you try to dive an ad carry

"we will buff thresh in 8.3"- maple nectar more like we will nerf thresh in 8.4 appreciated [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

18 Comments

Oleandervine7 votes

You had me until you started trying to paint Thresh as if he had an invalid kit with no tools for anything. Thresh has one of the most overloaded support kits there is - just in front of Lulu in terms the sheer number of things he has going on for him. He has displacements, a hook, a shield, an ally summon, and a massive slow field. Claiming that Thresh is in the gutter when he's got all that is absurd. He's just not in the current meta, but by no means does he have a bad kit.

Ahristocats1 votes

thresh is nothing compared to braum braum is x15 more overloaded than him, with less counterplay as a melee or a ranged champion

he counters both, because of insane cc and peeling, BUT also because of unbreakable negating ranged champions braum is also way more tankier, on a toplaner lvl of tanky while thresh is squishy as fuck and an easy kill to get fed on

if you think thresh is not in the gutter, how comes challenger support mains never pick him? how comes no one in lcs picks him?

Oleandervine4 votes

Not being meta doesn't instantly mean you're shit and in the gutter. The speed of the games these days has shifted late game hypercarries to the back lines in place of others who have stronger early and mid games. That doesn't inherently mean that late game hypercarries are bad, or that their kits are somehow broken, it just means that the current game environment doesn't support them. As such, certain champions are better suited for certain metas, which is why we always have a shift in who's flavor of the month.

Destaice4 votes

Thresh also builds coin pretty often so they're probably not going to change him much.

FOR JUSTICE3 votes

basically this, and its not like there has ever been a time where thresh wasn't at least OK

Destaice8 votes

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https://i.gyazo.com/2e961225e826b7bfc98f645b3cdc9592.png

[zombie-brand-facepalm]

Yeah it's almost as if OP.GG only shows the statistics for what they believe people are going to build and not the full stats for every possible build.

Oh wait that's exactly how it is and if you look at the match history for the Thresh masters you'll see that some of them build coin.

Leave it to gameplay to not know how statistics work.

Ahristocats2 votes

opgg leagueofgraph lolalytic

they all show the same shit even the 1 or 2 games that thresh has in the lcs right now, they build relic

http://euw.op.gg/summoner/userName=supportive+lion

this guy is my support, i tried to look at which item he builds on thresh because he also mains thresh but i couldn't because he didn't play thresh in his last 25 games

because thresh is garbage XD

Destaice2 votes

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opgg leagueofgraph lolalytic

they all show the same shit even the 1 or 2 games that thresh has in the lcs right now, they build relic

http://euw.op.gg/summoner/userName=supportive+lion

this guy is my support, i tried to look at which item he builds on thresh because he also mains thresh but i couldn't because he didn't play thresh in his last 25 games

because thresh is garbage XD

Selective ignorance.

Ahristocats2 votes

strawman

good way to counter argue :/

Destaice2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Je suis Rubick,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=g0o260s2,comment-id=000100010000000000000000,timestamp=2018-02-15T15:23:37.720+0000)

strawman

good way to counter argue :/

That isn't what a Strawman is, but whatever makes you feel better.

Got New Glasses2 votes

Which thresh "master" built coin?

Destaice2 votes

{quoted}

Which thresh "master" built coin?

http://na.op.gg/ranking/champions/name=thresh

Diamond2Kappa3 votes

thresh stats look like he is opie tho

AmetDeCrypt2 votes

I haven't seen much of thresh no, but this seems like it may do good for how lazy riot is. nerf the common item and buff the ones that get put behind.

Hethalean1 votes

I agree, but I'm pretty sure GP is the real reason that Relic Shield is getting nerfed.

Hexs Fortune1 votes

Thresh still has so much playmaking potential, massive buffs are a bad idea

k wìx1 votes

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thanks, really thanks i enjoy not being able to lane as Thresh already in high elo, because you fcking didn't compensate him for the nerf of relic healing on ranged champions

but now i also get to lose 50 hp from targon, what a fcking joke

thresh in never picked in pro he's almost never picked in high elo over tahm/braum

and now the nerf of relic+targon is going to make him a horrible pick over Janna Lulu too

I mean, there are never that many champs picked at the pro level. There are around 30ish supports that are pretty viable up until plat. Thresh is viable up until Diamond or Master tier, in my opinion - he's occupying the 10th spot with an above 50% winrate. If anything, this is concern that he's overperforming, not underperforming. Not that I think he needs nerfs, but I definitely think buffs are a bit much right now.

On the flipside, look at supports like Velkoz Karma Morgana. They have a right to be complaining right now about winrate and how the meta has worked against them. You do not.

So telegraphed, delayed, squishy as fuck unlike Braum TahmKench , but he still gets to lose 50 hp which is huge because his base stats are already the worst in league. If only he could negate instantly a melee like braum/tahm but instead, he has a 0.75 sec delay on his hook, his E is also delayed and is a shitty 25 units knock back but braum gets to instantly stun you by hitting you in a teamfight if you try to dive an ad carry

Thresh / Braum / Tahm has completely different kits. Many of your statements are straight up false, so I'm just stopping my reply here. You are absolutely correct in your assessment that Braum / Tahm need to be looked at, and I'd add Leona & Alistar to that list frankly, but Thresh is in a really, really solid spot right now.

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