I feel like Iceborn Gauntlet should be removed from the game

HateDaddy··9 votes·903 views

Before you submerge me in downvotes, I want you to hear me out...

Ask yourself: when has this item ever been in a state where it wasn't absolute garbage or overpowered. And even in its worst of worst states, it had extremely high abuse cases, most notably Blue Ez which is still one of the most cancerous builds/play styles that exist. It has always been one of those items that up until recently, was designed for fighters/tanks but was abused by ranged champions. Tanks don't even build it for the slow, they build it for the damage and CDR, and mana too to an extent.

My biggest issue with the item is that it offers 20% CDR while having the 1.5 second sheen proc effect, giving tanks reasonable good DPS early/mid game. Not until very late game does it fall off. And the biggest problem with tanks this season has been how much damage they're putting out while being incredibly hard to kill.

It's the closet thing to an AD/armor item we will ever see again and you can see why it's such a problem. And I'm not a fan of damage items that give respectable damage with huge defensive stats as well, especially when it's an item an already durable/hard to kill class is going to build only for the sake of soloing backlines while being hard to kill, which is an incredibly unhealthy style of play. And with grasp of the undying and the masteries in utility tree that also give multiplictive damage scaling, tanks are doing an absurd amount of damage.

Items like sunfire and deadmans don't bother me because sunfire is cost inefficient and deadmans requires momentum build up for one big pop.

I would propose removing the item and buffing deadmans and making Frozen Heart a bit cheaper so tanks still have a good mana/armor item pick up.

This is where tank mains tell me tanks suck. Okay, that's all I have to write: bury me in downvotes now (thanks for reading)

32 Comments

MisterShameless2 votes

Sheen needs to be reverted back to season 5 versions.

HateDaddy2 votes

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Sheen needs to be reverted back to season 5 versions.

I admit, as a Jax player, I hate that it doesn't give AP anymore. Though next patch..

Caítlyn2 votes

Blue Ez is far from OP. Have a downvote.

HateDaddy6 votes

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Blue Ez is far from OP. Have a downvote.

I never said Ez or OP in the same sentence.

Caítlyn3 votes

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I never said Ez or OP in the same sentence.

Yah and I never actually read past the title because these threads are annoying.

HateDaddy4 votes

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Yah and I never actually read past the title because these threads are annoying.

nobody cares

Pandemic Punch3 votes

Yes they are. I down voted just because of the first sentence.

HateDaddy1 votes

edgy

YJRBqwXJcS1 votes

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Yah and I never actually read past the title because these threads are annoying.

i was wondering why this thread was downvoted then i scrolled down to see your first two posts.

no wonder why people don't take this area serious

its shit heads like you

xl Kirito lx2 votes

Well, you called the downvotes. Kind of surprised people don't realize how bad tanks have gotten. The meta's in a bad state when I'm more scared of the Sunfire/IBG Maokai, then the Morellos/ Abysall Leblanc.

Caítlyn1 votes

[{quoted}](name=xl Kirito lx,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fyiFQsTw,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2016-05-25T02:58:55.427+0000)

Well, you called the downvotes. Kind of surprised people don't realize how bad tanks have gotten. The meta's in a bad state when I'm more scared of the Sunfire/IBG Maokai, then the Morellos/ Abysall Leblanc.

Its been League of Tanks since S1. You can predict with nearly 100% accuracy which team wins by who has more tanks.

LordGeovanni1 votes

except its not tanks but assassins or adcs building tank items to become bruisers with relitive saftey with mobility and or range

HateDaddy2 votes

[{quoted}](name=xl Kirito lx,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fyiFQsTw,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2016-05-25T02:58:55.427+0000)

Well, you called the downvotes. Kind of surprised people don't realize how bad tanks have gotten. The meta's in a bad state when I'm more scared of the Sunfire/IBG Maokai, then the Morellos/ Abysall Leblanc.

That's because boards are tank and Mage mains and even during the tank meta that is slowly transitioning into a Mage meta, the think tanks and mages are bad.

Amélie Cauchemar2 votes

idk why you post on gameplay and bronze.

All they ever do is downvote threads from higher rank, insert a random retarded comment, call you boosted, then bitch about Zed.

It's almost always like that.

genya031 votes

If Sheen didn't get a nerf, I wouldn't be surprised it get a removal. Without that AP on Sheen, it kind of weak as of right now. The one's that can abused it are Ezreal Maokai. There's many, but those are the main ones.

HateDaddy2 votes

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If Sheen didn't get a nerf, I wouldn't be surprised it get a removal. Without that AP on Sheen, it kind of weak as of right now. The one's that can abused it are Ezreal Maokai. There's many, but those are the main ones.

It's weak? Lol

Nautilus still abuses it Poppy still abuses it Ekko still abuses it Fizz still abuses it Malphite still abuses it

genya032 votes

Actually, it is weak. Only reason why it's being abuses because of its proc damage and the slow aoe. i'm talking about the item 3057, not item 3025. item 3100 is fine, but I think if it was reverted back to the old Sheen, I would be happy.

HateDaddy1 votes

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Actually, it is weak. Only reason why it's being abuses because of its proc damage and the slow aoe. i'm talking about the item 3057, not item 3025. item 3100 is fine, but I think if it was reverted back to the old Sheen, I would be happy.

Literally none of the abusers care about the slow aoe because they have good sticking power/cc. The abuse it for the CDR/Armor/Damage and mana.

genya031 votes

Hmm....

LordGeovanni1 votes

Ezreal and get it for the slow and so does ekko to fill in the 2 second gap when both his passive and q would be down. they get it for the cdr too but mostly the slow. Its intended for champions like Maokai though.

RogueWill1 votes

The thing is most tanks don't buy it because they can't proc the shen correctly. Figthers and bruisers buys them.

Sejuani (which has her W on decent cooldown) will go fro Frozen Heart instead of Gaunlets 80% of the times. The extra damage becomes almost non noticeable die to her poor base AD scaling and no building any AD at all. You would do way more damage with a deadman over it.

HateDaddy1 votes

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The thing is most tanks don't buy it because they can't proc the shen correctly. Figthers and bruisers buys them.

Fighters will definitely only be buying trinity next patch and fighters really never have built it

Sejuani (which has her W on decent cooldown) will go fro Frozen Heart instead of Gaunlets 80% of the times. The extra damage becomes almost non noticeable die to her poor base AD scaling and no building any AD at all. You would do way more damage with a deadman over it.

Sej can't proc it and isn't a laner, not to mention sej wants more of an AP build if she were to build damage. Champions like Naut, malphite, poppy and other champions that are tanks that abuse it can proc it constantly and want the damage.

RogueWill1 votes

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Fighters will definitely only be buying trinity next patch and fighters really never have built it

Sej can't proc it and isn't a laner, not to mention sej wants more of an AP build if she were to build damage. Champions like Naut, malphite, poppy and other champions that are tanks that abuse it can proc it constantly and want the damage.

Naut and malphite will also prefer the Frozen heart than an Iceborn Gaunlet. True, they can proc the shen constantly (similar to sejuani) but then again the extra damage is almost no noticeable that they will rather other options for an offensive item than a shen. I agree with poppy thou, she can use it effectively but I see poppy more of a figther than a tank, her utility is pretty much packed on her ult the rest of her utility (the slow and the stun) are not reliable.

LordGeovanni1 votes

Trinity force was a fighter item before riot decided to give it to a select few adcs and they thought that fighters would still buy it

PulsarPollo1 votes

This problem has already been addressed in 6.8 with the proc damage being reduced. By the way, this item scales terribly on a lot of champs and is often beaten out by the Frozen Heart due to the better tank stats it gives (90 armor). ~ruski

HateDaddy1 votes

[{quoted}](name=NEF ruskipleb,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fyiFQsTw,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2016-05-25T03:33:45.035+0000)

This problem has already been addressed in 6.8 with the proc damage being reduced. By the way, this item scales terribly on a lot of champs and is often beaten out by the Frozen Heart due to the better tank stats it gives (90 armor). ~ruski

People are still building it

PulsarPollo1 votes

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People are still building it

I know that, but the item is not as popular anymore.

Very Hard Engage1 votes

the main reason IBG is seeing serious play is because its CDR was upped to 20% thats monumental for tanks, where normally they would either have rushed spirit visage back in the day for the old 20%, or they had runes only to go on for quite a while as no one could rush just armor (frozen heart) ((except for sion))

all it needs is its stats to be readjusted and the item would be completely fine.

the current gold standard sunfire -> IBG is only because its a big ball of stats, 500 health, 500 mana, 115 armor, 20% cdr, + 2 damage passives. while simultaneously being cheaper than other damage items so they can be finished quicker.

LordGeovanni1 votes

The IBG armor is shit its just op on champions that it wasnt intended for Ezreal Ekko basicly any one who had high damage any way and is only using the slow and cdr

Glîtchy1 votes

I vote Dynamic queue be removed in IBG's place.

Critmaster Garen1 votes

"melee only"

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