Damage in this game is just insane ...

option paralysis·Jan 15, 2018·64 votes·3,292 views

I've been trying to play some new champs, syndra seemed fun in mid lane. But I lost every lane so hard I couldn't do jack shit. Alright, I'm first timing syndra, expected right ? But the thing that bothers me that I was killed as soon as lvl 6 hit and from then on, I just died over and over. killed me at lvl 6 just with . I was like ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmm alright. Then I played against , she did the same thing, killed me at lvl 6 just with and I couldn't do anything since her new and improved W is amazing, even if I stun her, she can still jump 3 times on me, which is just ridiculous. And for some reason heals more than vladimir. Why do you get 3 shot at lvl 6 without giving any majour lead to the enemy ? I was instantly dead like I gave 5k gold lead to them. I don't get it. Rito, we don't like 10 min games, stop it.

68 Comments

Who Fed RuJan 15, 201842 votes

I agree, remove Akali and Fizz

Who Fed RuJan 15, 201824 votes

and when were already on it, item 3145 too

Jinx HunterJan 15, 201813 votes

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I agree, remove and

More like delete the fish and rework the sexy ninja not to be cancer. don't go axing waifus when you can just rework them not to be cancer. [slayer-jinx-wink]

TrollmanshipJan 15, 201822 votes

Yo guys, I don't think the problem is "wtf syndra is so weak"... no, the problem is, like the OP stated in the title of the thread, damage in this game is too fucking high.

Do people honestly enjoy a game where the first person to get an advantage in lane is able to simply one-shot their opponent for the rest of the game?

StairCasexdJan 15, 20181 votes

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Yo guys, I don't think the problem is "wtf syndra is so weak"... no, the problem is, like the OP stated in the title of the thread, damage in this game is too fucking high.

Do people honestly enjoy a game where the first person to get an advantage in lane is able to simply one-shot their opponent for the rest of the game?

How do you fix it though? Me killing my laner or being killed means they now have gold advantage and level advantage if they shoved in the wave. Meaning I lose if it's a state check battle. It's not enjoyable but that's how the game is, I don't see how they can fix it without making major changes to lol. But I'm not creative so eh.

FefnilJan 15, 20181 votes

We don't recall being melted by a 1/0/0 whatever three years ago.

TrollmanshipJan 15, 20182 votes

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How do you fix it though? Me killing my laner or being killed means they now have gold advantage and level advantage if they shoved in the wave. Meaning I lose if it's a state check battle. It's not enjoyable but that's how the game is, I don't see how they can fix it without making major changes to lol. But I'm not creative so eh.

By reducing damage... across the entire game...

Damage is at like 200% what it used to be years ago, and it's really frustrating unless you enjoy playing "first person to step into the other guy's range gets gibbed".

FairyfleurJan 16, 20183 votes

I'm almost positive Fizz's level 6 all-ins have been complained about for a much longer time than the boards have been complaining about damage.

edit: two letters

wildfox99Jan 15, 201814 votes

that's just how akali/fizz/diana works, farm and when your opponent stops hugging his tower for trading,last hitting a minion or for any other reason,smash your head on the keyboard and get a free kill

that's why you should always pick summoner 3 or summoner 21 against them

your goal (aspecially vs fizz) is not to dying utill mid lategame,don't build AP it doesn't matter how good you are they will OS you anyway (at least you can easily outpush them so you don't need mana sustain,just pick manaflow and you are fine),instead go for some early defensive items (you know,you have so much choises as mage >.>) and freeze (don't forget to SS if they miss,if these champions start rushing your bot lane is done),as syndra you can go for item 3102 + item 3151 or item 2420 +

DivewingJan 15, 20185 votes

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don't build AP it doesn't matter how good you are they will OS you anyway (at least you can easily outpush them so you don't need mana sustain,just pick manaflow and you are fine),instead go for some early defensive items (you know,you have so much choises as mage >.>) and freeze (don't forget to SS if they miss,if these champions start rushing your bot lane is done)

This is why I despise Fizz's existence

wildfox99Jan 16, 20183 votes

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This is why I despise Fizz's existence

this champion is literally made for tilting your opponent, is one of the most unhealthy kit of this game

Pommel KnightJan 15, 20186 votes

So you're saying that you got hit by max range Fizz Ult, he got his e on you and used empowered w + the passive dmg from item 3145 + the ap from probably item 1082 and .

What the fuck were you expecting to happen when the assassin does everything right?

invisiblecat1Jan 15, 20184 votes

I mean, when he is playing an immobile mage who can't really dodge a fizz ultimate, that combo is almost guaranteed

AirKingNeoJan 15, 20186 votes

Alright, I'm first timing syndra,

So, you played the matchup wrong...

Fizz killed me at lvl 6 just with Hextech Revolver

So you got hit by ult, got ignited, and lost an in all because you didn't know the matchup.

Why are you even complaining?

FairyfleurJan 16, 20184 votes

clearly it's because damage is too high!!!1 Not level 6 kill pressure that has been around for seasons!

RailiosJan 16, 20181 votes

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clearly it's because damage is too high!!!1 Not level 6 kill pressure that has been around for seasons!

So this problem has persisted for seasons?

FairyfleurJan 16, 20186 votes

Specifically the level 6 all-in of assassins like Akali and Fizz against immobile mages, yes.

AirKingNeoJan 16, 20184 votes

It isn't a problem. It's called a powerspike.

SujirenJan 16, 20184 votes

To be fair thats not how it has been for seasons. I remmember back in season 5 I played a lot of Talon mid. Even at 6 with ignite/ ult up I would need to poke enemy to about 70% hp, before all ining them with my full burst. Of course I could just 100 to 0 later, but thats after getting ahead already. The fact that it's possible to 100 to 0 at 6 without poking or getting sifnificant lead first is actually disgusting.

HongChongDongJan 15, 20185 votes

Only Syndra match I can find VS fizz is from 5 days ago, but it doesn't appear that you change your playstyle or itemization regardless so even if that's wrong it won't change much.

Fizz 1 trick here, lets analyze why you dun f***ed up.

First off, you picked syndra. I don't know how people fail to realize this but assassins are made to kill people. You pick an unsafe pick that gets countered and you can expect to die.

Second and biggest f*** up: You took ghost. You didn't make ANY attempt to pick a safe champion and then went ahead and didn't pick atleast a defensive summoner spell. Again, this is a case of: By every right you deserve to get one shot but you're still surprised and appalled when you do.

An extension of the second, you didn't even build defensively. Nope, you rushed a item 3165 . Shit matchup, into bad summoner spells, and you don't even bother to try and rush an Hourglass or Banshee's veil. I'm even going to go as far as assuming that you took manaflow band and didn't bother taking Nullifying Orb for the magic damage shield.

You took no defensive options as a defenseless carry mage VS a class of champion that is designed to kill shit and nothing more, especially squishy carries.

This is basically the same as shooting yourself in the knee then complaining that you can't walk, no offense.

Or perhaps a better analogy would be: You basically walked into a Lion's den, got your arse ate, then complained about the harsh wildlife.

I'd also like to point out that your just stated you're new to syndra. You not only didn't take the right summoners, items, and probably runes, but you also lack the knowledge of how to play the matchup from a gameplay standpoint.

Especially in diamond ELO there is no reason why it would've turned out different. If it did then I'd be out and about on the boards with my pitchfork demanding fizz buffs immediately.

KlydeFrogJan 15, 20184 votes

Again you don't play syndra and you don't have defense runes anymore ..... Not hard to understand it's the same as before minus instead of thunderlords it's comet or aery......

SaibboJan 15, 20184 votes

item 3147 ??? 1 HIT is 300 HP, jarvan oneshootes everyone with just a ult+aa with 0 efforts, kayn not even talk Q+aa oneshooted, talon? zed? It's a %%%%% %% %%%% item that shouldn't ever been created or don't do more than a %%%%% skill of any champ, it's insane how much dmg did this item to the game.

PhearBunnyJan 15, 20182 votes

Kat is a bigger issue than every AD assassin in the game. /shrug.

mack9112Jan 16, 20184 votes

The game is moving in a different direction. I am not a fan of it so I will probably take a break :) I think alot of us should just take a break

RailiosJan 17, 20181 votes

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The game is moving in a different direction. I am not a fan of it so I will probably take a break :) I think alot of us should just take a break

Did this three seasons ago and my entire life has improved. I keep trying to come back but this game has not improved in any way, shape, or form. Highly recommend the break you may even find other things more challenging and fun. I was the last of my friends to skip out but boy was it a mistake to wait as long as I did.

Serika ZeroJan 15, 20183 votes

You played against assassins, that's what happened. IF you do not respect assassins, you die over and over and over and over again.

And no, Akali doesn't heal more than Vladimir. Akali: Twin Disciplines STATIC COOLDOWN: 8 / 7 / 6 / 5 / 4 Twin Disciplines Akali's first two basic attacks are empowered.

DISCIPLINE OF MIGHT: Akali's first basic attack heals her for 5 - 60 (based on level) (+ 60% bonus AD) (+ 45% AP) health.

DISCIPLINE OF FORCE: Akali's second basic attack within 4 seconds deals an additional 10 - 100 (based on level) (+ 50% bonus AD) (+ 75% AP) on-hit magic damage.

At lv 6, akali heals every basic attack with a cooldown of 6-5 seconds for 15 + 60% bonus ad (She usually has none) and +45% ap, she usually has some of this, lets say she has 100 ap for whatever reason at lv6. She heals for 60hp every auto attack every 5 seconds.

Vlad:

Transfusion TARGET RANGE: 600 COOLDOWN: 9 / 8 / 7 / 6 / 5 Transfusion ACTIVE: Vladimir drains the lifeforce of the target enemy, dealing magic damage and Redemption item healing himself.

MAGIC DAMAGE: 80 / 100 / 120 / 140 / 160 (+ 60% AP) HEAL: 20 / 25 / 30 / 35 / 40 (+ 35% AP) Each cast of Transfusion generates a stack of Bloodthirst over its cooldown, which is displayed in his secondary resource bar. At 2 stacks, Vladimir gains Crimson Rush for 2.5 seconds and 10% bonus movement speed for 0.5 seconds.

So, lets say Vlad also got 100 ap at lv6. He heals for 30 + 35 every 7 seconds. From range. So, that's 65 heal (over akali's 60).

And CRIMSON RUSH: Transfusion deals 85% increased damage and heals for an additional 30 - 200 (based on level) (+ 5% (+ 4% per 100 AP) missing health), reduced to 35% against minions. And once every 3qs he heals for an extra 80+5% of missing hp + 4% per 100ap of missing hp.

So, while Akali has smaller cooldown on her passive heal. 3 auto attacks from akali that heal her would heal for about 200hp and would require 18 seconds.

Vladimir on the other hand will heal in 21 seconds a total of: 65+65+80+9% missing hp. So, basically 210hp + 9% missing hp.

ĘsdeathJan 15, 201817 votes

I will specifically quote: 'reduced to 35% against minions'. You should really consider that most of times you can't proc Vladimir's empowered Q on a champion (during early game phase) - Specially against a ranged champion like Syndra (if she keeps her distance and pays attention to it).

Besides, his damage is nothing compared to Akali in early phases, and she still heals off as much as him in terms of base damage (ignoring scalings)

Serika ZeroJan 15, 20181 votes

the reason why i ignored the 'minions' part is simply because, akali has to be in melee range in order to get the healing. which means, unless you are melee yourself, you can punish her quite hard when she's going for the healing off minions, making her take more damage than what she heals without her being able to trade back.

Also, Akali's trade windows, are having about 10 seconds cooldowns in between them (W cd is about 18 or 16 seconds, and it lasts for like 8 seconds, so 18-8 = 10-8 seconds).

Which means, that she misses at least one proc of her passive without definitely being punishable for it. While vlad has an easier time getting it. And especially vs the syndra match-up, Akali can proc her healing even less than Vlad can due to the pressure Syndra has.

However, this requires you to know how to play syndra, which the op didn't. So, to him it looked unfair. Akali's damage again, unlike Vlad's is melee. Which means, she needs to get in melee of you to do her stuff. Usually her trade pattern involved Q the target and then using W aggressively to proc Q. However, this also means the moment W runs out, Akali is defenseless for 8-10 seconds and can't trade back more than a random Q (which does like 50 damage or less). While Vlad doesn't have this problem.

Lios AshenbladeJan 15, 20182 votes

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the reason why i ignored the 'minions' part is simply because, akali has to be in melee range in order to get the healing. which means, unless you are melee yourself, you can punish her quite hard when she's going for the healing off minions, making her take more damage than what she heals without her being able to trade back.

Also, Akali's trade windows, are having about 10 seconds cooldowns in between them (W cd is about 18 or 16 seconds, and it lasts for like 8 seconds, so 18-8 = 10-8 seconds).

Which means, that she misses at least one proc of her passive without definitely being punishable for it. While vlad has an easier time getting it. And especially vs the syndra match-up, Akali can proc her healing even less than Vlad can due to the pressure Syndra has.

However, this requires you to know how to play syndra, which the op didn't. So, to him it looked unfair. Akali's damage again, unlike Vlad's is melee. Which means, she needs to get in melee of you to do her stuff. Usually her trade pattern involved Q the target and then using W aggressively to proc Q. However, this also means the moment W runs out, Akali is defenseless for 8-10 seconds and can't trade back more than a random Q (which does like 50 damage or less). While Vlad doesn't have this problem.

W..R Im in melee range now, prepare your anus to be bursted...Akali front loads a lot of damage, in even in team fights the effects of her shroud are kinda busted, since its hard as fuck to target someone to "focus the carry" who vanishes ever other second, believe me, I have seen more than one Garen Q leap canceled before it lands, because his target vanishes

Serika ZeroJan 15, 20181 votes

in order for her to dissappear right away, she needs to exit and reenter her circle, otherwise, she has a delay before going invisible.

Also, a list of champions who can reveal her or pseudo reveal: Blitzcrank Caitlyn Corki Fiddlesticks Fizz Galio Gnar Gragas Janna Jhin Karma Kennen Kled KogMaw Khazix (i'm not sure about this one tho, evolved W might give vision, but i'm not 100% sure) Leblanc LeeSin Lulu Morgana RekSai Rengar Shen TwistedFate

and i might be forgetting some. But I guess math is just not your strong point guys, if you think Akali heals more than Vlad.... And I didn't even add in his ult.......

DracosKasuJan 15, 20181 votes

Even if you ignore that part, vlad will generally build item 3065 which will increase his healing by 30% and reduce his cd on Q and force player to build an anti-healing item unlike Akali.

Both of them are useful in their own way one is an assasin the other is a tanky mage.

FutureCreatorJan 15, 20181 votes

Akali gets a gunblade which gives AP and AD though, and more healing. Sometimes she might even have more from Ravenous Hunter.

Serika ZeroJan 15, 20181 votes

gl having a gunblade at lv6

Leaf on BushJan 15, 20183 votes

Punish these Assassins before they hit their level 6 powerspikes. Make laning phase hell for them, make them miss cs and exp to set you up for an easier mid game. Rather then trying to kill assassins focus on not giving them a chance to snowball. Learn harassing and zoning, avoid all ins against assassins. Also be opportunistic and be decisive! Syndra is also one of the champions that can kill her opponents over and over again. When 2 champions with high burst face each other the deciding factor is often who does the first move or who gets the jump on his opponent... so map awareness is very important too.

Stop blaming Riot. It's easy but won't help you at all.

Also just press R.

FlashesJan 15, 20182 votes

What is that logic? First of all, there are some assassins who aren't entirely reliant on level 6 power spikes, such as Anivia, and second of all, the solution to a problem like this isn't "Let's nerf something to the ground" because then something else will rise up to the top, such as mages or adcs.

Leaf on BushJan 15, 20181 votes

I don't know what you are talking about. lol

FlashesJan 15, 20181 votes

It means league is a game of balance, and there will always be checks and counters.

Leaf on BushJan 16, 20181 votes

and you are telling me that because????

[sg-lux-2]

NosnideJan 15, 20183 votes

This is something that takes a lot of people by surprise, and funny enough people don't keep In mind when playing the game. Champions are built to follow a certain niche, and it just so happens that Akali and Fizz are both assassins. This is the reason why they execute so quickly, but if you put the effort in you will find their weaknesses.

You can also try to pick something that isn't countered by those champions. Fizz and Akali both counter Syndra. I am sure you already know, but one of the best ways to to learn to play against a champion is to play them a few games. Otherwise you can do the workaround and learn about those champions as you go.

AnateraJan 15, 20183 votes

Nah bro, apparently this is a good thing. According to some extremely dumb people.

Kingdom CornJan 15, 20182 votes

I tried learning aurelion sol and I didn't expect to win a single game with him wanna know why? He is a difficult champion compared to Fizz Akali so it is expected for u to lose untill you master him (I gave up though because his playstyle was not for me). And I think you should have the same attitude towards syndra since you are only starting to play her :)

Starcraft243verJan 15, 20182 votes

While I agree that damages is a bit too high atm, seeing someone playing syndra and complaining about damages just make me smile.

PowerSlave993Jan 15, 20182 votes

But we want to make diverse! LEAGUE IS CHANGING!

another riot comment...

Arcane Blue BoiJan 16, 20182 votes

Rengar 100-0 me in 2 seconds with only half of the smite item done

smh

Power CosmicJan 16, 20182 votes

Damage is so plentiful, that the only thing that matters is how easily and safely you can do it.

Broken BandleJan 15, 20181 votes

There is very little excuse to die to an all in at six from Fizz when stopwatches are free or 600 gold tbh fam.

PhearBunnyJan 15, 20181 votes

indeed damage is high, but really I think there are only a few outliers breaking the game. Kat and Vayne primarily.

NaymlissJan 15, 20181 votes

A lot of the issue is electrocute.

Iffy JarlJan 16, 20181 votes

I mean why wouldn't an assassin kill a control mage in a 1v1 early. early is where they are good

SeldrixJan 16, 20181 votes

Fizz is one of syndra's biggest counters. There really isn't anything Syndra can do against a fizz other than hide under tower, scale, and hopefully get a roam w/o getting caught.