For any reason to take Cull, longsword and the 100 gold you saved does it better.

MealReadytoEat··10 votes·1,977 views

Lets look at what Cull gives for 450 gold 5 AD 3 HP on hit 1 gold per CS, capping at 100 CS were it gives you 300 gold No upgrades, but sells for 180 gold, for 130 profit at 100 CS

Okay, so from the looks of it, Cull is about being a weak starting item that offers some early game sustain and pays for itself, compared to Doran's blade which is a strong starting item with sustain that scales as you get more AD and Crit, but needs to be sold for a loss later.

However, if you are looking for a gold efficient starting item, Longsword give double the AD as Cull and costs 100 gold less. Along with making your early game stronger and CSing easier thanks to 5 more AD, you can get 2 more HP pots, which heals you the same as 100 auto attacks with Cull does - not something that's going to happen till well after your first back.

But more importantly for a gold efficient start, that extra 100 gold lets you start with a refillable potion. It only heals for 100 hp twice, or 50 more hp than cull + 1 pot does, but refiles every time you back. After three backs, it's healed as much as 4 HP potions would, while 50 gold cheaper. If you're really worried about the possibility of losing some HP vs Cull + 1 pot before your first back, but want to still have the gold efficiency of the refillable potion, you can drop one or two AD quints for Lifesteal quints to have better sustain than cull gives, while still having more AD.

Rather than selling the longsword like you would for cull, it builds into a plethora of items you want; it's a 100% gold efficient buy, and will be ready to upgrade well before your cull has paid for itself. You'll be farther along in your build and stronger at every point in the game with the longsword start than a Cull start.

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ltmetal2 votes

Some changes I would like to see from Cull:

  1. Increased healing from potions (a la item 1082 ).
  2. Remove or increase the cap on the +1 bonus gold to allow it to be a starter replacement for Avarice Blade.
  3. Instead of being forced to eventually sell it to get your item slot back, have it transition from being in your items to its effects showing up on your buff bar (like the old Eleisa's Miracle) after getting a certain amount of bonus gold or the clock reaching a certain point.
TDubH1 votes

Have it build into avarice blade would be cool, get rid of the gold cap, get rid of combine cost: boom has an opportunity to build into a better item

NotClarkolas1 votes

Isnt avarice blade removed?

ltmetal1 votes

Isnt avarice blade removed?

Yeah, but Cull and Avarice Blade are so similar that they have to be compared if you talk about Cull's viability.

Avarice Blade didn't really do it's job either, and I'm not upset it was removed, but removing it can't've been the only option. It was salvageable if the balance team had done what TDubH suggested and tweaked some numbers.

TDubH1 votes

... I totally forgot avarice had been removed. lol, thanks for stepping up for me, but this time I WAS an idiot...

McAllister1 votes

Yeah, this seems like a serious issue. Cull needs to do its job better, since it's competing with longsword+refillable. I don't think it'll outsustain the competition, so it should really go all-in on the "I scale harder in farm lanes" identity.

LegendaryLemur1 votes

I'm not prepared to argue that cull is a good buy, but I don't think you've really examined cull's most cost-efficient time. That is, after you've stacked it but before you've sold it. At this point you've paid 50 gold for 5 AD and 3 HP on hit, which is a lot more efficient than the 350 gold for 10 AD on the long sword or the 450 for the doran's blade.

Also your claim that 2 lifesteal quints is better sustain than cull seems dubious at best. 3 life on hit is more than 3% life steal until your first back.

The refillable potion argument is compelling, but if you think that for some reason you are going to be in a totally safe lane where you can free farm, then cull seems not an unreasonable choice.

Sohleks1 votes

Cull. It's a wash.

The stats are too low and the potential profit too low to really matter.

Pretty pointless attempt to replace avarice blade. Very much preferred that item.

The best case scenario with this item is you buy it 1st or 2nd recall if you have extra gold after your ideal major purchase with potions.

Starting with cull is stupid unless you straight up outskill your opponent.

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