What makes Kindred so overbearing is the fact that she can out duel almost anybody early game while

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Actually not.

Kindred's mobility is tied to W, which has along CD. Grave's mobility is attached to his ult + E which is also reduced in time by CDR + attacking + also resets his attack timer. He's also innately faster than Kindred.

But go on and tell me more about balance oh mighty bronze lord.

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roughly the same tbh, but kindred's is generally more accessible.

I assure you in jungle clearing + traversing through river + in team fights + base movement speed Graves out shines her in mobility at all stages.

Even in late game, Kindred, during a fight can hop approximately 3 times at a limited distance in one specific area. Which then goes on a fairly long CD. Until those cds are up, she's statistically less mobile than almost all other champs in regards to dashing.

Graves is not set by those limitations.

Graves also lowers his dash cd by 2 seconds per non crit, and 3 seconds with crits.

At 40% cdr, which Graves can readily get. Graves resets his dash in 2/3 attacks. And since the dash resets his attack timer, it's actually faster than one would think.

The only time Kindred has "more mobility" is when she's hopping back and forth in a very particular zone for a very brief amount of time, and isn't really actually doing anything besides spitting out 150 damage and reset an auto. And even then, Graves can achieve the same mobility she can in that particular instance.

So with that concluded, the only time Kindred has "more mobility" is walking back from base. But even then, remember, she has way lower base ms. So, all those dashes do is "replace" the speed Graves already has passively walking. But even then, with that said, Graves can dash and just displace that anyways.

Please note, this also isn't even taking into effect for the special snowflake Graves that take Storm Raiders.

A super-snowballer with a very strong early game is pretty contrary to the design philosophy we see with other champs who snowball particularly hard.

Imagine if Katarina was strong early and won almost every lane while still snowballing super hard with gold. The rationale that Kindred's influence falls off hard late game applies equally to Katarina. Kat hits her high point in the early mid game after hitting 30 spell pen and finishing Luden's or Gunblade as first item.

Once people start finishing their MR items/Maws, Kat's threat level drops and her risk level spikes despite the fact that she continues to scale well into late. As a practical matter, she falls off like Kindred despite actual late-game scaling.

With the same snowball design and late game circumstances, why is Kindred allowed to have an OP early game and easy snowball while Kat is intentionally designed to lose basically every lane against an equal opponent?

nah you just have to adapt to their new powercurve. The Q change sucks but bloodrazor is a huge buff from devourer in that kindred doesn't have to waste away the mid game farming stacks and can fight with the immediate power spike of bloodrazor once the Q is on its fully reduced cooldown. Post level 9 the champion isn't nerfed at all, so it's all about getting to that point. personally I've been powerfarming to level 5 before trying to show myself, and it's worked out quite well. Same feelings from other top Kindred OTPs, they're fine.

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She's basically a pile of dog shit right now unless you know exactly what you're doing, and all the cards line up right.

Kindred players on average are some of the biggest noobs around, with an average game experience of 21. She has the third highest jungle play rate. She has a 51% win rate. It only takes Kindred players 5-15 games to break over a 50% win rate.

No, she's still strong.

i dont really care about what they are.

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Wolf is male, Lamb is female. Lamb does all the work, so use "her" if you're not going to use "they".

Who...honestly gives a damn?