Why does Irelia stun last 2 sec?

I'm fully aware it's percent-wise, which is how it should be. It would be very difficult to judge whether she has a stun or a slow up if it was flat health. It would also just unnecessarily punish her for choosing to build health. She suffers enough from the knock-up trend taking over making her passive so much less valuable.

no.....that would make ADCs 10,000x more effective vs. her because Irelia tends to build tanky

Do you have armor? Early game if you're playing as a tank just rush frozen heart or randuin's and that'll shut her down 90 percent of the time.

You could also build zephyr or take the tenacity mastery.

Or build Merc Treads and a Randuin's.

Or build QSS/Mercurial Scimitar

Or build a Crucible.

Or build a Banshee's Veil.

Or take Cleanse (though I don't recommend it).

Or play Olaf.

Really, there are lots of ways to get around Irelia. Don't engage when she's lower health than you, but still not low enough to die. Poke her down, zone her off the farm, and when she's around 30%, you go for the kill.

Her stun isn't OP. She has to take enough damage to get a stun instead of a slow, but not so much that she's in a bad spot. It takes skill and careful trading. High risk, high reward. Also, it's not a flat 2 second stun. It scales up from 1, exactly like Twisted Fate's. Veigar's post-nerf, AOE stun outscales it at all levels. Equilibrium Strike is balanced, and it's beatable. You just have to know what you're doing.

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Fiddles fear is only 2.25 seconds at max rank (which is like really late in the game), is single target, and deals no damage. Why does irelias get to do damage and be a stun?

You do understand that I am saying it use to be 3 seconds right? Also fiddle fear is targeted and will always fear the target. Irelia has to be lower or equal health for it to stun.

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you forget Iralia was nerf like hell in season 1 and 2, thats where the saying comes from "better nerf iralia"

Well that and other champs were considered OP but Irelia would get nerfed and they would not.

There is more then one side to the story.

Her innate sustain is not purely defensive (though I suppose her Equilibrium strike does do some damage, so purely defensive is kind of not 100% the case there either), her innate sustain is most definatively the lesser half of Hiten Style, with the offensive true damage being the real reason for why you max W first.

And yes, beside her passive, which isn't an ability she has any control over.

To put it another less snarky way, Equilibrium strike is her only ability which allows her some degree of fight control. While she has some mobility, it's not strong enough to help her control the flow of a fight entirely, her E allows her to have some influence over the pace of an encounter, if it's going to fast for her, she can use a slow to drag it out a bit if her target might slip away to safety or a stun if her opponent is overwhelming her and she needs a breather.

Her stun is allowed to be that long, because it is (as others have pointed out) single target, conditional as to whether it's even a hard CC ability, it has a respectable cooldown (not long, but it's long enough you usually don't see more than one during an engagement), especially on a champion who doesn't generally build much CDR, and, again, as others have pointed out, it only reaches the duration you're complaining about at max rank which you generally reach at lvl 13.

It's also fairly short ranged, meaning she can't use it to shut down a target before they get to react without using up her only mobility tool alongside it.

It's her only move to help her control the battlefield, and also basically the only thing which makes her not a complete ball of stats champion.

EDIT: P.S. I wrote this in the middle of the night, I hope I don't come off as overly sarcastic or anything, and also that my post is at least semi-coherent.

point and click

So tired of that being said to excuse complaining about a spell or ability. There is counterplay to most point and click abilities...

If they're melee: it typically puts them in melee range, which can put them in danger. Late game, and they use that ability in a teamfight? Instantly focused and usually killed (unless really ahead). Even 's ult can have drawbacks. And Irelia's "point and click no counterplay" ability is ridiculously close-ranged... so still puts her in danger during a teamfight.

If they're ranged: Most ranged point-and-click have some form of debuff that can be removed (Zed's ult), or have some drawback to them (Annie's passive, for instance, requires casting a number of spells and there is a visual indicator if her passive is proc'd).

Some point and click abilities are annoying, but nothing is more annoying when it's in melee range and people still complain about it. How the hell are you going to make an aa-esque spell a skillshot? If it had range, it'd be even more powerful!

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She's not balanced. Even high elo players say she's ridiculous to go against. You can't duel her.... She's hovering at around 53% winrate.

Exactly. If you are behind, usually slowing you is enough for her. If you are ahead, you can fight her because she E you and go away. If you are even you are close to behind already because fighting her with equal health or just a little bit more than her is already dangerous

Whoa. What happened in the last patch that caused her win rate to jump up?