Pro tip: Don't listen to boards

Curling Veigar·Nov 18, 2015·51 votes·2,283 views

Everyone said (or a majority, the upvoted people) said that Mundo would be trash/bad because of being re-introduced

Now he's actually broken. Lol

53 Comments

TyroneWatermelonNov 18, 201522 votes

Why should I listen to you?

Lord BoltrixNov 18, 20155 votes

Here is a better question: why should we listen to you?

PunkkeeNov 19, 20155 votes

and why should I listen to you?

Lord BoltrixNov 19, 20154 votes

I dunno, why should I listen to you?

BrascusNov 19, 20154 votes

Don't listen to me!~

Lord BoltrixNov 19, 20154 votes

And why shouldn't I listen to you?

air tigerNov 19, 20152 votes

Why you shouldn't listen to me

TyroneWatermelonNov 19, 20152 votes

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Here is a better question: why should we listen to you?

"Pro tip:Don't listen to the boards" Trust NOBODY

Lord BoltrixNov 19, 20151 votes

And why should I listen to that advice? Maybe there are people on the boards I can trust.

TyroneWatermelonNov 19, 20152 votes

[{quoted}](name=Lord Boltrix,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fkGrPckY,comment-id=0003000000010000,timestamp=2015-11-19T06:54:01.498+0000)

And why should I listen to that advice? Maybe there are people on the boards I can trust.

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Baron of BreadNov 18, 201512 votes

As someone who has played Mundo for a while I don't think the pre-season has made him drastically better than he was, the meta has just shifted to make him more relevant (Undying Grasp is a bit of a buff but I don't think it is that ridiculous).

Executioner's Calling should be keeping him in line, but so far I have yet to see someone actually build it against Mundo.

Betoldia PrimeNov 18, 20153 votes

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Executioner's Calling should be keeping him in line, but so far I have yet to see someone actually build it against Mundo.

And for that right there is that mundo is op.... i havent fought mundo yet, and when i DID, it was with someone who couldnt use it. but i HAVE played mundo.... and its true... NO ONE buys that item.... (Even tho it affects healing from everyone, not just mundo...) Because people dont see lifesteal as health gain, so they dont use an item that makes all self heals greatly weakened.

LockensterNov 18, 20152 votes

It's like Zed with item 3157 and item 3140 all over again

Critmaster GarenNov 18, 20156 votes

someone mentioned that games are usually ending around 20 minutes now. and mundo powerspikes very early.

i have a feeling that when they fix the snowballing issues, and games last longer again, his winrate will drastically fall. the problem seems to be less with mundo, but more how stupid snowbally games are right now.

WeatheredNov 18, 20152 votes

I realized this. I main shaco, and have played two games recently.

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-history/NA1/217390593

Now, based on those last two games, he might be good right now. I AM NOT SAYING HE IS OP, but the 137k mastery I have on him seems to have finally pulled through.

Earl EulrichNov 19, 20151 votes

pretty much this, his winrate already drops massivly in longer games (>60% for games ~20min, <50% for 40min+) - Mundo always has been a very snowbally Champ, especially toplane due to his perma-slow with cleavers...if you fail once and he has an advantage he´ll just kill you anytime you step too far from your turret (which depending on the matchup is really not far at all). Also, while he had always been like that - the recent changes to his e made more people abuse his really hard hitting autoattacks to kill their opponents rather than relaying on Cleaverspam only. So while it hadn´t been that much of a Buff to seasoned Mundo-players it sure helped out inexperienced Mundos a lot.

BluePolarizerNov 18, 20156 votes

Carries aren't getting enough gold to make it to Last Whisper items.

When games start getting longer and carries can actually buy 3 items, Mundo's win rate will free-fall late game.

HawkefireNov 18, 20154 votes

item 3123 costs 800 gold......it is one of the cheapest and most effective counters to Mundo in the entire game.

The real problem is people going "hmmm....should I build to counter the fed enemy guy that is killing my team, or should I just keep building more damage, naaa I'm just going to build more damage and keep on dying to Mundo because I don't do any damage to him"

JalkanNov 19, 20151 votes

Just spend 800 gold on item 3123 and continue with your normal build.

LaughingStaplerNov 18, 20153 votes

He's not strong because of that item though. He's strong due to the BoRK and LW nerfs.

TransgressorNov 18, 20155 votes

Have you even freaking built them yet?

NOBODY IS BUYING THOSE ITEMS, you're all too busy stacking crit-chance and playing 5ADC compositions.

https://na.op.gg/summoner/matches/userName=LaughingStapler You haven't played any fucking game these past 10 days to form an opinion, you're just spewing nonsense. The most recent games are full AP jungle Fizz in which you horribly fed, wouldn't be surprised if they where troll games since you have no jungle item. and a trollpick (in Ranked!!) Ekko full AP support.

What do you even know?

kJsNov 18, 20153 votes

Hey, take it easy on his backside.

Axis the DragonNov 18, 20151 votes

In his defense, I've seen Ekko support work (that W AoE stun is monstrous) - the guy just happened to go Tank Ekko, not AP, though. xD

LaughingStaplerNov 19, 20151 votes

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Have you even freaking built them yet?

NOBODY IS BUYING THOSE ITEMS, you're all too busy stacking crit-chance and playing 5ADC compositions.

https://na.op.gg/summoner/matches/userName=LaughingStapler You haven't played any fucking game these past 10 days to form an opinion, you're just spewing nonsense. The most recent games are full AP jungle Fizz in which you horribly fed, wouldn't be surprised if they where troll games since you have no jungle item. and a trollpick (in Ranked!!) Ekko full AP support.

What do you even know?

I have more than one account and hundreds of Kog games with a respectable winrate on them. We're not talking about Fizz JG or Ekko here. Resorting to Ad Hominems isn't very mature or productive, nor is it an argument. I have tried every build imaginable prior to the hotfixes and he was not competitive with most mids or adcs.

TransgressorNov 19, 20152 votes

K, if you say so, i'll take whatever someone on the internet claims, as legitimate fact.

It's Ad Hominem only if it rustled your jimmies really. Critisism based on the provided context can sure rustle the jimmies of all challenger smurfs.

If it makes you feel any better.

WeatheredNov 18, 20153 votes

"TANKS ARE USELESS BECAUSE OF THE NEW LAST WHISPERS!"

Proceeds to actually read the new last whistpers. Reads the top 5 winrates right now are all tanks. 1v1's a Riven as amumu.

People are so freakin dum sometimes.

ZephyrDrakeNov 18, 20153 votes

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"TANKS ARE USELESS BECAUSE OF THE NEW LAST WHISPERS!"

Proceeds to actually read the new last whistpers. Reads the top 5 winrates right now are all tanks. 1v1's a Riven as amumu.

People are so freakin dum sometimes.

well when games are ending before you even have a chance to build it and have some extra items... and the fact that the tanks who are doing well are those who benefit from armor due to their kits, now come and tell me how useful the rest of the tanks are

SpoofghoulNov 18, 20151 votes

yea this lol

Havent seen many adc buy lastwhisper early

Problems with DrMundo ?? How about item 3153 item 3033 item 3006

Players are not counterbuilding at all at the moment.

As for Malphite Rammus Well they are designed to counter ADC's and with APC's not doing so well right now its no wonder these two have a high winrate.

But even then you can still get item 3139 item 3156 item 3072 Tons fo mr to counter their damage a get out of burst free card a get out of cc free card and a butload of lifesteal. Maybe not much crit in such a build but it beats dieing

Kal Vas FlamNov 18, 20153 votes

I never listen to these boards when it comes to balance.

"But Uhm Dymond I know more stuff."

Please, you know how often I have to educate my neighbors (2 Diamond and a Plat respectively) on this game? Playing the same 5 or 6 champions over and over and mastering their mechanics does not make you an expert on the game in its entirety, nor does it suggest your knowledge is somehow superior or even equivalent with those of lower ELO than yourself. There are of a course a few genuine brainiacs that made it to high ELO from knowledge rather than raw mechanics, but they are quite rare.

BluePolarizerNov 18, 20151 votes

most high elo jungle mains climb more from knowledge than mechanics tho.

Kal Vas FlamNov 18, 20151 votes

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most high elo jungle mains climb more from knowledge than mechanics tho.

This is probably true, I don't think I would debate that point.

t0ad5Nov 18, 20152 votes

It is more that the game is broken, than a particular character.

AwesomeChadNov 18, 20152 votes

typical community. They like to talk ahead of themselves without waiting until the changes go through and seeing what happens.

NemeBroNov 18, 20152 votes

Dr. Mundo has a 62% win rate in Challenger and the third highest top lane pick rate (tenth highest overall), but fuck them, those guys are bronzelords who don't know shit about how to play the game and I'm sure they never considered getting Mortal Reminder against Mundo.

Ranged ADCs are broken OP at the moment, which is why the top five win rates in plat and up doesn't have a single ADC.

Tanks are fucking garbage, which is why the win rates of tanks almost across the entire fucking board have gone up.

Kal Vas FlamNov 18, 20151 votes

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Dr. Mundo has a 62% win rate in Challenger and the third highest top lane pick rate (tenth highest overall), but fuck them, those guys are bronzelords who don't know shit about how to play the game and I'm sure they never considered getting Mortal Reminder against Mundo.

Ranged ADCs are broken OP at the moment, which is why the top five win rates in plat and up doesn't have a single ADC.

Tanks are fucking garbage, which is why the win rates of tanks almost across the entire fucking board have gone up.

I can't believe I'm saying this, because I thought ADC's would be broken as hell, but they may need a buff lol. Honestly though they probably just need longer games. ADC's tend to be lategame champions by nature.

Earl EulrichNov 19, 20151 votes

Ranged ADCs are broken OP at the moment, which is why the top five win rates in plat and up doesn't have a single ADC.

the reason for this is that in every game there´s one ADC playing vs another ADC - so naturally if the whole class is broken the winrate still stays close to 50%, as the statistics that way only show the winrate compared to other, very similar Champs of the same class.

Sire HippingtonNov 18, 20152 votes

faced mundo two time so far,1game we had two early executioners->mundo did shit all game long, the other game i played kog and past +25 min, i killed him in 4sec straight from fullhealth.... played him once, no one built executioners vs me, i could literally go where i pleased duering midgame, together with our jungle olaf who also gets massivly fuvked by GW, and we pulled off enough of an advantage later on to end the game despite vayne starting to whipe the floor with us tanks(still without executioners)

the only thing that seems broken to me are the brains of most players...

xl Kirito lxNov 18, 20152 votes

No, anyone with half a mind was saying how broken Mundo was after they buffed his E. People were expecting / hoping that executioners would balance him out again.

magic poleNov 18, 20151 votes

pretty cheap item. However, i rarely see tanks stacking armor--probably because games end around the 1-2 completed item mark. so at most they might have 2 armor items.

meanwhile AD will be building flat damage. In addition, they won't be encountering mundo enough to make the buy worth.

like garen said, if games were lasting longer than an average of 20-25min, we would be seeing this item more. but for now games end before it's even worth buying it

JARmatesNov 18, 20151 votes

That cause people are bad. I kill Rammus and Mundo as Tryndamere by building last whisper before my normal build. People are just bad in general. I also have the most gold of any carry.

FusarixNov 18, 20151 votes

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That cause people are bad. I kill Rammus and Mundo as Tryndamere by building last whisper before my normal build. People are just bad in general. I also have the most gold of any carry.

Well I mean, all you really play is Trynd, so yeah your're gonna stomp on people. Especially considering how strong he is right now. But you also can't deny that Malph, Rammus, and Mundo are the only "counters" at the moment.

JARmatesNov 18, 20152 votes

Agree with everything you said. I just like to brag i guess :)

FusarixNov 18, 20151 votes

http://www.nerfplz.com/2015/11/2015-champion-tier-list-solo-queue_15.html

nerfpls puts him in GOD TIER. Yep. Totally correct. Grievous wounds aren't as powerful as they used to be, so champions people were complaining couldn't be played, are actually top Priority because they counter the one thing that got overcompensated.

Meep ManNov 18, 20151 votes

Actually, the reason he is broken is partially BECAUSE people listened to Boards. So many people believed it would be #ADCMeta #BIGLCSMARKSMANPLAYS meta that they blindly picked a bunch of AD champions (and didnt build Mortal Reminder). If people would pick other things, he wouldn't be as bad.

JalkanNov 19, 20151 votes

Let's be honest here, nobody who actually plays the game listens to Boards.

TransgressorNov 18, 20151 votes

-Stop picking 5 ADCs -Start buying Grevious Wounds -Start buying Blade of the Ruined King -Start playing anything other than ADcarries and bruisers -Start buying Armor penetration

=Watch as Mundo's winrate goes down

But no, don't let me disturb your circlejerk, Mundo is not in a favorable position because every bronzy and their mothers pick squishy ADCs and rush crit-chance blindly. It's because Mundo is brokenly OP, nerf Mundo #FuckSustainTanks. (sarcasm)

Kitten of EvilNov 18, 20151 votes

Those two things are unrelated. Re-introducing EC didn't make Mundo broken.

HawkefireNov 18, 20151 votes

Uh.....you realize the only reason that Mundo is doing so well is because people are going full AD comps and not even bothering to itemize against Mundo....

Literally people barely ever build executioners calling (and as quite a few have already shown, many people just adamantly refuse to do so...for no real good reason). Then of course you have the other people going "hurr durr Botrk nerfed better not build it."