Can we talk about Nidalee and the fact she doesn't have atm no good item path?

GripaAviara·Mar 23, 2018·1 votes·1,714 views

Seriously. What do you do on nidalee to make her work?

I feel like if i build first, i don't have any damage, especially if there's a tank. A nidalee that can't kill fast, is useless because of the damage creep in the game atm.

If I go , it's decent in some matches, but if there;s a CC, you can't resist enough to make the jumping commitment.

If I go , it's okeish, but I need a team to be independent enough for me to get a second more def item.

Meanwhile, , , or other can almost build any item and still thrive

Win Rate 48.77% - Play rate 3%. This means mains can even carry with her anymore http://champion.gg/champion/Nidalee/Jungle

17 Comments

TormentulaMar 23, 20183 votes

item 3100 item 3174 item 3157

You're a spear/heal bot until a target is low enough to jump in and kill then pounce reset to jump out of. Zhonya is to survive once you're in if you do need it, or you can just go Dcap for stronger poke and heals.

Nid isn't too bad right now, not the best, but certainly one of the top two AP junglers (basically just her and eve, the others are in an odd/bad spot right now.)

GripaAviaraMar 23, 20181 votes

kill then pounce reset to jump out of.

wtf :)), pounce reset? You mean getting into 3 sec CD =))

Also that 300 range jump is enough for an escape. But I appreacite this comments of someone that doesn't play nidalee

TormentulaMar 23, 20181 votes

You get 40% CD refund at rank 1 pounce + with athene's, lich, and zhonyas you gain 30% CDR (40 with ionian boots) so its a 3.6 CD + with the passive reset you set it to 1.44 seconds of CD

1.44 seconds is plent of time especially since that will likely be gone by the time the combo animation finishes.

and that's rank 1 cougar, not factoring in her other ranks (40/50/60/70%) and the fact that killing the unit also reduces it by that same amount if her CD is greater then the same refund amount.

I wouldn't throw experience around when you're the one asking what you should even be doing. If you want only nidalee main responds go join a nid mains server (or don't, since clearily the info I got from them isn't good enough.)

ZephyrDrakeMar 24, 20183 votes

Doesn't have... no good... so she has a good build path?

C9 Squeeky Mar 23, 20181 votes

Warwick DR on E, has a fear/suppress Shyvana resistances on passive, doubled in dragon form, has a knockback Jax resistances on R, has a stun

That's why they can thrive.

Nidalee is ranged/ has ranged poke/burst and can heal allies, highly mobile. She's a mage jungler, not a juggernaut/fighter/tank. She has different strengths and weaknesses. She doesn't build Cinderhulk like they can/do.

That being said, I don't play Nid jg, can't help ya with itemization.

Sagee PrimeMar 26, 20181 votes

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DR on E, has a fear/suppress resistances on passive, doubled in dragon form, has a knockback resistances on R, has a stun

That's why they can thrive.

is ranged/ has ranged poke/burst and can heal allies, highly mobile. She's a mage jungler, not a juggernaut/fighter/tank. She has different strengths and weaknesses. She doesn't build Cinderhulk like they can/do.

That being said, I don't play Nid jg, can't help ya with itemization.

lmao I'm sorry but she's not highly mobile. She has mobility but it's below average. She has one of the weakest heals in the game and she's only good at bursting/poking squishies. Tanks are an all time prevalent presence and have too much sustain and can out damage, out sustain, and provide hard CC on top of all that. Most of our tanky options have mobility on par with what Nidalee has.

The game gold is more shifted towards team presence and team gold while Nidalee is more of a solo carry solo gold champion. Team champions outscale solo champions heavily due to this. Basically everyone gets gold now where it used to be the ones getting kills and objectives got the gold so now teams and champions more suited for team fights have more gold on average than teams and champions with more of a carry team meant for picking apart enemies get less and less gold and fall behind. Nidalee is one of those types of champions and it hits her hard.

She's squishy, not mobile enough to make up for her squihsiness, doesn't deal enough damage to make up for her squishiness, doesn't scale well enough to make up for her squishiness, and her entire kit is locked into a ranged to melee engage pattern when the melee part can't even come into play unless she lands her Q and get access to her subpar mobility.

Itemization is complete garbage on her because her kit's scalings are all ap and most of the ap items available are for ranged ap casters that don' t want to get in melee and want to avoid damage where as Nidalee wants to leap in and be able to take a few hits but she can't and she can't itemize for taking damage and dealing damage with ap options

She needs her old HP values restored, she needs her old heal restored, she needs her old cougar cooldowns restored, her passive range restored, her auto attack reset restored, her cast times restored, her resets restored, her cougar Q ratios restored, and then you can lower her passive damage and cougar base damage, increase cougar ratios and scale just the passive portion with levels. Takedown numbers are gdmn atrocious and you basically guesstimate your damage everytime you go in. All she ever needed to be balanced out is lower base damage and higher scaling in cougar to slow her early jungle clear but keep her relevant. Her mobility should be a major defensive and offensive strength while also being able to take a hit when she puts herself at risk.

C9 Squeeky Mar 26, 20181 votes

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lmao I'm sorry but she's not highly mobile.

Ever chased a good Nidalee before? She can run your entire team around the map and still make it back to her own base safe & sound

Sagee PrimeMar 26, 20181 votes

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Ever chased a good Nidalee before? She can run your entire team around the map and still make it back to her own base safe & sound

ever chased a good lee, a good jax, a good riven, a good kat, a good hecarim, a good udyr, a good gragas, sejauni, zac, yasuo... how about azir, ekko, leblank, fizz, and talon. This list can go on and all of those can do exactly what you just said and they can easily catch up to a nidalee unless she manages to safely clear a few walls without getting cut off. She only gets off with those type escapes by jumping over barrier walls and those aren't always an option. Too many champions get mobility, durability, and CC in one and it's really straining the effectiveness of those who only have mobility.

The worst thing is all her mobility is given situationally. She doesn't get movespeed without brush or a target to chase, she doesn't get long range pounce without an in range hunted target, and regular pounce is not a very reliable source of mobility with it's range and cooldown.

C9 Squeeky Mar 26, 20181 votes

A lot of those champions you listed have limited or conditional mobility. Just because other champions are mobile doesn't make Nidalee immobile. Her Pounce is on a much lower CD than most if not all those; many of them need something to click to for their mobility. Why the fuck are you arguing her about her mobility anyway, this is off topic. You sound like one of those people who just love to argue or hear themselves talk.

Sagee PrimeMar 28, 20181 votes

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A lot of those champions you listed have limited or conditional mobility. Just because other champions are mobile doesn't make Nidalee immobile. Her Pounce is on a much lower CD than most if not all those; many of them need something to click to for their mobility. Why the fuck are you arguing her about her mobility anyway, this is off topic. You sound like one of those people who just love to argue or hear themselves talk.

In regards to your statement it is on topic. She's mobile but she's not "Highly mobile" as you seem to think and just like all of those choices I listed her is also situational. Pounce is a joke of a mobility spell without hunted targets to leap to. Almost all those picks get CC, mobility, and durability and their itemization allows them to function. Nidalee's options are spell damage items with limited durability options and not many useful bonus effects that she can use to empower the rest of her kit which does mostly raw damage with next to no utility and 0 cc. All you can build for is a deep diving all in assassin and hope you stay ahead and have mostly squishy enemies. Look at all the AD item options and tell me they're on par for an ap champion that functions mostly like an AD assassin.

Oh and please stop describing yourself through me. you'er the one going off topic and pulling off the ad hominem attack

C9 Squeeky Mar 28, 20181 votes

3s pounce, not highly mobile :thinking:

Sagee PrimeMar 28, 20181 votes

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3s pounce, not highly mobile :thinking:

6 seconds actually. used to be 5 and way back before her rework it was 3

C9 Squeeky Mar 28, 20181 votes

ok so we're going by base CD. Still shorter than most.

Sagee PrimeMar 28, 20181 votes

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ok so we're going by base CD. Still shorter than most.

You're not getting 3 seconds anyway unless you're talking about hunt resets and you don't typically build over 20% cdr on Nidalee. The majority of those champions I listed earlier can run faster than Nidalee can move with movespeed and pounce combined so unless you got a luck wall to hop over you're not escaping and if you're chasing well good luck with that one too because they're just going to outrun her the moment they get any distance because riot nerfed the range on her passive to useless levels. You have to be nipping their ankles to get it's benefits

C9 Squeeky Mar 28, 20181 votes

fine if you want to be so technical, 3.6 or 3.3 depending if you have 40% or 45% CDR. Still don't see how she's not highly mobile. Terrain scaling is more important than just movespeed

Sagee PrimeMar 28, 20181 votes

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fine if you want to be so technical, 3.6 or 3.3 depending if you have 40% or 45% CDR. Still don't see how she's not highly mobile. Terrain scaling is more important than just movespeed

Probably because you don't play her and get run down by the plethora of highly mobile champions like the rest of us do. Most of them have CC to kill our mobility on top of their own mobility

C9 Squeeky Mar 28, 20181 votes

That's because you can't just dive in whenever you feel like it, gotta play smart. Whatever. I'm done.