Orianna could use a little love

Koechophe·Feb 29, 2016·2 votes·658 views

She's sitting at a pretty abysmal 45% win ratio, and is only at 48% for people with 125+ games. If you look at her skills, her damage stats are just really, really low compared to other mages, and she's especially suffering because she has the lowest base armor in the game (aside from Gnar and Thresh who both have increases elsewhere). To start, I think her ult mana cost should be normalized at 100, instead of scaling up to 150. Then, possibly, increase the damage on her Q. Just a few little thnigs, she hasn't been touched since season 4.

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Dominick DestineFeb 29, 20162 votes

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her damage stats are just really, really low compared to other mages

That's intentional.

All 4 of her skills are AoE and carry some form of utility. Orianna is meant to be a hybrid utility/burst mage with a large dose of zone control... you can't just straight-up compare someone like, say, LeBlanc or Brand. Orianna has a low win rate but I would argue that it is appropriate.... she is arguably the most team reliant mid-laner in the game.

KoechopheFeb 29, 20161 votes

Then let's compare her to someone like Zyra or Lissandra who has comprable utility. Orianna does less damage by far. Even lux is pretty close in utility, and has way more range and damage. I'm not saying she's too far off, but this season SPECIFICALLY negatively impacts her because of the prevelance of AD champions (and her really, really low armor), the increases in mobility (she's all skillshot based) and the increase in swifties (her slow is her primary CC). She could use a little love.

Dominick DestineFeb 29, 20161 votes

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Then let's compare her to someone like Zyra or Lissandra who has comprable utility. Orianna does less damage by far.

Except Lissandra has ridiculously short range on her abilities and Zyra has horrendous defensive stats coupled with very unreliable defensive mechanisms.

Orianna has greater range than Lissandra. Orianna is much, MUCH safer than Zyra. Understand?

You are looking at damage in isolation which is why you are coming up short in your arguments.

Even lux is pretty close in utility, and has way more range and damage.

It's pretty well understood that Lux is currently overpowered.

Point being; Orianna is fine. You are arguing nonsense.

KoechopheMar 1, 20161 votes

You don't have to be so hostile in your posts, btw.

The bulk of my argument is that this season has negatively impacted her. She's low armor, and AD is more prevalent. She's all skill shots, and movespeed is more prevelant. She's hard engage, and split pushing is more prevelant. Her primary CC is a slow, and swifties are currently the most popular boots. CDR is core on her, and both Morello's and Athene's have been nerfed, while Ori doesn't make much use of the buffed Lichbane, Rod of Ages and Abyssal scepter. These have all negatively impacted her, which is proven by her steadily declining win ratio.
In comparing the other champs, Liss's abilities aren't terribly low range as you'd thnk: only her W, since her Q expands and her E flat out isnt. But she also has invulnerability and much harder CC, with better damage. Zyra has means of protecting herself through hard CC that Ori lacks, as well as better zone control through plants. She is less safe, yes, but she makes up for it in better CC, so the wide, wide damage differential is a bit unfounded.

But here's the kicker. Liss and Zyra have both been buffed last season. Liss got a heal on her ult (which was huge) and Zyra got increase in plant AI which spiked her damage and win rate significantly. Ori hasn't been touched. Again, I'm not saying that she needs a lot, just primarily a decrease in ult mana costs and possibly a bit more damage on either her Q or E, so that she's more rewarded for hitting enemies with them. A 45% win ratio on a champ with an experienced win ratio of 48% is not a good thing.

Dominick DestineMar 1, 20161 votes

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You don't have to be so hostile in your posts

I am never hostile. To suggest otherwise is to admit that you are hyper sensitive/insecure.

The bulk of my argument is that this season has negatively impacted her.

Irrelevant.

In comparing the other champs, Liss's abilities aren't terribly low range as you'd thnk

Actually yes, they are. Do you want me to pull the numbers?

But here's the kicker. Liss and Zyra have both been buffed last season

Zyra is in a horrible state right now. Lissandra is doing alright.

What's your point?

None of your arguments are even remotely substantive.

AbyssphereFeb 29, 20161 votes

I think she does deserve buffs, for the same reason that Lee Sin got buffs last season. She's incredibly inaccessible right now and is essentially exclusive to ranked 5s, which isn't a wonderful position for a champion to be in. You do need to be careful not to make her too dominant in high elo coordinated play, though.

Ruin LanceFeb 29, 20161 votes

IMO if there's a buff that she needs then it would be to lower her mana costs. whenever i get her in aram i do really good damage, combined with constantly saving my teams with my fantastic utility i'd say her damage is fine

The Bearded BardFeb 29, 20161 votes

Normalize r mana cost, give her back original Q range, speed up E. Easy peasy

bad manner kidMar 1, 20161 votes

Orianna ultimates have made losing teams come back and win since her release.

Her shielding, great farming, easy poke, you name it - she's effective.

As she as ALWAYS existed, like ANY mage, you can combo kill your laner in 3 pokes with an ult added. If you feel you aren't doing enough damage you should consider your build path or what your opponents are bringing to the battle.

Never forget that the ball delivery system is not "predictable." The game isn't decided by a single mages positioning and one skill shot, but a tank catching people with the ball on him makes the ult unavoidable.

I will simply not accept any sympathy towards an Orianna buff. She's arguably too reliable, but I suppose you call that balanced.

I wanted to add in, if anyone needs "a little love" on the mage train, it's Ziggs. Talk about someone thrown in the dumpster by the meta with no damage. :P Many mages Galio Velkoz Zyra have more addressable issues.