She is already pretty easy to counter both in lane and in teamfights. Now her E will do no damage, her Q will do no damage except if you proc the mark, and her W will be weaker at lvl 9 without AD ( which kat doesn't even buy ).
Der Lindwurm2 votesIt seems like they want Kat to buy AD items now.
DropFill1 votes[{quoted}](name=Der Lindwurm,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ffhy50UA,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2015-01-20T06:04:52.464+0000)
It seems like they want Kat to buy AD items now.
Which is stupid. Hextech gunblade is a noob trap on her, and is the only " viable " option for her that has AD She is fine right now. But taking away the damage from her E and changing her Q to do 0 damage without procing the mark is stupid as fuck
Der Lindwurm1 voteschanging her Q to do 0 damage without procing the mark is stupid as fuck
I didn't see that. It looked to me like they were reducing the AP scaling and base damage at higher levels, but buffing the mark. E is what does 0 damage now. Does that still activate the mark, though, I wonder?
DropFill1 votes[{quoted}](name=Der Lindwurm,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ffhy50UA,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2015-01-20T06:12:56.413+0000)
I didn't see that. It looked to me like they were reducing the AP scaling and base damage at higher levels, but buffing the mark. E is what does 0 damage now. Does that still activate the mark, though, I wonder?
I mean, it does almost nothing of damage.
Der Lindwurm1 votesI mean, it does almost nothing of damage.
I guess they wanted her to be even weaker in lane?
Knight SoIaire 2 votesShe is already pretty easy to counter both in lane and in teamfights
in lane i would agree
but her latest ult tweak made her deal the bigger part of her ults dmg even if you stopped her right as she casted it
so she went up and is now a problem for them since her main risk of beig stopped mid ult is not as big as it was before
its a nerf but its a good nerf maybe harsh but good
DropFill1 votes[{quoted}](name=Hagane No Arashi,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ffhy50UA,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2015-01-20T06:33:51.695+0000)
in lane i would agree
but her latest ult tweak made her deal the bigger part of her ults dmg even if you stopped her right as she casted it
so she went up and is now a problem for them since her main risk of beig stopped mid ult is not as big as it was before
its a nerf but its a good nerf maybe harsh but good
No , it is not good. Her base damage ult nerf was enough already.
Knight SoIaire 1 votesNo , it is not good
just like your standpoint in this thread
whatever argument we throw at you and how logicaly we can explain it to you you will just say we are not right and defend her you are totaly unobjective in this thread you deserve no response
TheKingDodo2 votesThat rework is too bad to be true. Rito can't be THAT stupid.
SEKAI1 votes
and 
, errr..... no.
Phife1 votesthey might have removed DFG... but they didn't remove bork!
Raptamei1 votesCass was used by bots and got hit with a giant nerfhammer for it.
Kat is used by bots.
Do the math.
SanKakU1 votesDo the math on her jump, you'll find if you use it right, you can get a cooldown of 3 seconds every time, from level 1. Before you had to get it to level 5 for a cooldown of 6 seconds. I'd call that a significant buff.
DropFill1 votesDo the math on her jump, you'll find if you use it right, you can get a cooldown of 3 seconds every time, from level 1. Before you had to get it to level 5 for a cooldown of 6 seconds. I'd call that a significant buff.
It is not a buff. Just read it jesus. The jump doesn't even do damage, like kat with this nerfs
SanKakU1 votesIt is not a buff. Just read it jesus. The jump doesn't even do damage, like kat with this nerfs
If you don't like the buff that's fine, doesn't stop it from being a buff. I'm not claiming the changes are overall a buff. I don't know enough about the champion to claim if it is or not. But for me personally, I will probably enjoy and perhaps be better with the new version. I used to play with Warden from Warcraft 3 a lot and she has a 1 second cooldown jump skill. Favorite hero in the game. New Katarina will be much more fun for me personally to play. Now you don't have to make a kill or an assist to jump again very quickly, which means that tank vs tank battles will be easier for her to navigate.
CIamSlam1 votesShe is getting a shit ton of mobility in exchange and more damage than before on normal spells if she builds ad TBH
DropFill1 votesShe is getting a shit ton of mobility in exchange and more damage than before on normal spells if she builds ad TBH
Shit tons? Only if she jumps on ENEMY champions.
Knight SoIaire 1 votesyeah because blinking to your tower everytime you see an enemy jungle was fine in midlane nerf is a nerf but she deserwed one im at least happy that they didnt go with the usual "gut it till it diies"
DropFill2 votes[{quoted}](name=Hagane No Arashi,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ffhy50UA,comment-id=000500000000,timestamp=2015-01-20T06:34:42.667+0000)
yeah because blinking to your tower everytime you see an enemy jungle was fine in midlane
Like fizz, lb, zed can do? Seems fine because ALL of them can do this. You also can only jump if there is a ward there.
Knight SoIaire 1 votesfizz and zed are next in line dunno bout lb thou
You also can only jump if there is a ward there.
or a minion or an ally or she can pop into jungle
Der Lindwurm1 votes[{quoted}](name=Hagane No Arashi,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ffhy50UA,comment-id=00050000000000000000,timestamp=2015-01-20T15:54:14.413+0000)
fizz and zed are next in line dunno bout lb thou
"Everything is going according to plan. Muahahahaha!"
DropFill1 votes[{quoted}](name=Hagane No Arashi,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ffhy50UA,comment-id=00050000000000000000,timestamp=2015-01-20T15:54:14.413+0000)
fizz and zed are next in line dunno bout lb thou
or a minion or an ally or she can pop into jungle
An ally or minion close to your turret is just a lot of luck in the moment you get ganked. Also, if you want to jump into the jungle birds, it needs to be warded too
DropFill1 votes[{quoted}](name=Hagane No Arashi,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ffhy50UA,comment-id=000500000000,timestamp=2015-01-20T06:34:42.667+0000)
nerf is a nerf but she deserwed one im at least happy that they didnt go with the usual "gut it till it diies"
She doesn't need any nerfs anymore lol... Any champion who can push well or has CC on their kits counter kat mid.
Knight SoIaire 1 voteskat is no longer countered by cc she is hurt by it but cc is no longer a reliable way of stopping her damage (you can reduce it but trully stopping her is possible only when you are lucky and your cc hits her in the same second she starts to ult, otherwise she deals most of her dmg before you can stop her with your reactioin time)
CIamSlam3 votesShit tons? Only if she jumps on ENEMY champions.
NEW: Now refunds 80% of Shunpo's Cooldown after blinking to a champion that she hasn't Shunpo'd to in the last 9 seconds Cooldown refund will trigger on both enemy champions and allied champions. Reading. do you do it? Edit: downvote me for pasting the exact information that outright disproves what you just lied about? Sore loser much?
DropFill1 votesNEW: Now refunds 80% of Shunpo's Cooldown after blinking to a champion that she hasn't Shunpo'd to in the last 9 seconds Cooldown refund will trigger on both enemy champions and allied champions. Reading. do you do it?
This doesn't even make sense. Like this changes riot is doing
CIamSlam2 votesThis doesn't even make sense. Like this changes riot is doing
I hardly see how that doesnt make sense. If she shunpos to any champion, it's cd is reduced by 80%, but it doesnt work on the same champion(s) within 9 seconds of the last shunpo. aka you cant bounce between two enemy champions infinitely.
DropFill1 votesI hardly see how that doesnt make sense. If she shunpos to any champion, it's cd is reduced by 80%, but it doesnt work on the same champion(s) within 9 seconds of the last shunpo. aka you cant bounce between two enemy champions infinitely.
The changes itself doesn't make sense. Katarina doesn't need any nerf.
DropFill1 votesNEW: Now refunds 80% of Shunpo's Cooldown after blinking to a champion that she hasn't Shunpo'd to in the last 9 seconds Cooldown refund will trigger on both enemy champions and allied champions. Reading. do you do it? Edit: downvote me for pasting the exact information that outright disproves what you just lied about? Sore loser much?
Downvoted because you are being rude. Sorry if it only says champions. I thought it was only enemys one. But using shunpo on allies doesn't even help that much. You only need to shunpo once. She will have no damage after this changes
CIamSlam1 votesDownvoted because you are being rude. Sorry if it only says champions. I thought it was only enemys one. But using shunpo on allies doesn't even help that much. You only need to shunpo once. She will have no damage after this changes
I apologize if I offended you. i was trying to reference a particular meme.
BeatzBoyFTW1 votesIt's about time this bitch gets nerfed down hard. Better be trash than wasting a ban slot.
iiMage1 votesHorrible rework. She is getting Evelynn'ed with a crappy hybrid damage kit that makes her a worse melee fighter than the melee fighters we have. The removal of DFG alone is enough to get rid of guaranteed resets and solo pick potential.
killerot1 votesI just came her for the answer, anyone know yet?