^^ His basic abilities are so UP.
- What good is regen if it's barely noticeable in a 1v1 much less a teamfight!
- He has poke that makes him overextend and gets REKT! I know a tank and a energy champ who are allowed more single-target range than him!
and
- His dash should really have hybrid scaling, to make full tank shen a bit more useful in teamfight, because building AP sacrifices waay to much and is not useful if he does not go full AP Shen.
Fed by Snu Snu2 votesBalanced?
No.
I consider him bad.
Darth Pixy Misa2 votesNope, his full combo costs 210 energy(170 if you hit a target).
Shen needs a 30% cost reduction across all his skills.
What if VB had a passive where the basic attacks vs marked targets give back 2x energy?
Instead of Ap, what if all his skills used HP ratios?
Sir ArmaMalum1 votesIf you give Shen enough power to dual or hold his own he can simply split push and use his ult's global presence to win everytime. It's not the fact that they can't ad in more power to his non-ult abilities, it's that if they do his ult's mechanics alone will make him broken. Yes his ult's also very long on its cooldown but when higher elo teams can just force a 4v5, or a 5v5 with another lane pushing hard against them every two minutes it's still pretty bad.
This is coming from someone who enjoys playing Shen top regularly btw.
ExecutorDill1 votesYa I remember you Sir Arma. But it's infuriating that a Tank/Fighter champ like J4 can't really hold his own because he has a lot of power in his ult, his ult is nothing guranteed like an Urgot ult in the middle of a teamfight. It often goes to waste simply by the incompetence of allies in soloQ, it's not like shen's teleport is unnoticeable.
Look at what they did for Rek'Sai. You could say his ult is limited by where put portal but in fact, shen's ult is more limited because he can't go to an abandoned enemy top turret without the help of TP, his ult is meant for rescue/reinforce whereas Rek'Sai ult may not directly save lives but he can clean up kill with it and his strongly overloaded basic abilities. That's why I wanted to by him because I am convinced he can do everything shen can but better while still having more damage, sustain and mobility that allows him to be a better jungler... Something a shen player can only dream of.
Sir ArmaMalum1 votesThe primary difference between Rek'sai and Shen is that Rek'sai cannot have the global presence a Shen has, simply because the tunnel has to be placed and stay there before that global presence can happen. In order for Rek'sai to copy what Shen can do the Rek'sai in question would have to go into the jungle the enemy team will be near, create and tunnel, leave to the other side of the map, miraculously keep the tunnel there for the 2-3 minutes travel and splitpushing will do, and then ult down. Hoping there's no one nearby to poke her as she ults as it can interrupted easily. Meanwhile all Shen has to do is just walk top lane. Shen, yes, cannot push neutral objectives like that without teleport, but the fact is because his ults are always on allies, he will always be 'with' them even when he's not nearby when his ult is up. Meaning a 4v5 is almost guaranteed in favor of Shen's team unless someone makes a silly mistake.
Keep in mind this happens already with his current kit, but the rest of his kit is underpowered enough that he can't just keep pushing and he doesn't have as much of a teamfight presence as he could have/did before. Fixing that weaker point of his will bring him back over a tipping point, and his ult needs to have a fundamental mechanic change to bring him back to a healthy state.
So in all honesty I agree with you, he is underpowered and does not fight well as he is. However I also agree with that logic currently because of how is ultimate works.
ExecutorDill1 votesI'm glad you do but all I am asking for is +25 units in Q, what is +25 units on Q? Shen currently has 475 some primary role tanks have 600 and 700 range on poke. ( and 
respectively) it's not like it's increasing his damage. Although I believe his E can use a damage buff.
And out of all energy champs he has the lowest range projectile ability. You can literally catch him just by walking because of how slow he is and how much he has to overextend to get that poke off. The +25 is all he needs honestly, and maybe MS scaling on dash.
ExecutorDill1 votesWell shen is strong 1v1'er at lvl 1. But then give the enemy a few lvls and their damage starts ramping up :/
