@Riot Evelynn's R is unhealthy

Rew711··3 votes·796 views

This ultimate is more or less something that typical assassins would laugh at. This ultimate does the opposite of what a assassin should do. You can sit there and argue that her ult is meant for initiations, but lets get real, ult's that are meant for initiations are typically better than this. If they are to target a enemy and slow them, it will do so but not limit the damage. If it gives a buff to the champ being played, it typically corresponds well with how it should play out. Who else, in the champion pool, has a ability that does what Evelynn's R does? I know Ekko's W does this (not as great, but it does this). Ekko not only gains a massive (depending on AP) shield, but also stuns the enemy for over a second. This allows Ekko to initiate.

Evelynn can initiate, but its at a bare minimum. I want to say she's the most balanced champion, but its so hard just to play as her. And its very little rewarding. Her only damage spell is her E, and her Q randomly pokes whatever. Her W may give her a speed boost, but it doesn't stop other movement slows after its used. Her passive doesn't even work well anymore. Its true that its about time Riot makes her their next target for a full on rework, but until then she needs something.

I hate to ask for this, but can we compensate (or just give) Evelynn's ult the ability to deal % health damage based on their full health rather than current health. Reason being, its got the longest CD on a ult that shows barely any results.

At the moment, she would only deal 15/20/25% of the enemies full health in damage, making her a real threat. And its hard to believe that this would happen, until you realize that this is a ultimate we are talking about. A ultimate that has a 150/120/90 second CD. If we have to get rid of anything, we can get rid of the shield since she won't have to use it as a initiator.

Another reason is, why is it that if I had this ult at level 3, and I ult someone at 4 health, they only lose 1 health. That's a waist of a ult, and also a waist of mana. It gets even worse when they are at less health.

Kassadin was finally made viable again after a few buffs, can Evelynn be allowed a full health damage ult? You sure as goodness thought it was perfect for Fiora to be able to deal over 100% of our health in damage on her ult.

18 Comments

Unstoppable Monk2 votes

I've played her and in end game she's pretty underwhelming; but not lacking in damage. I think she really needs a greater amount of shield going on or even some defense stats per champion hit.

Nahui1 votes

Evelynn can't because of stealth. Champions with stealth, much less long lasting stealth are very hard to balance. Riot puts a lot of power into her ability to be permastealthed and bypass conventional vision.

She's supposed to ult an enemy team and soak damage, slowing them all and setting up for your team. She may be a stealth user, but to classify her as a full assassin is a bit far fetched. She's always seemed to work better as a bruiser, whether AD or AP. Her whole kit screams bruiser.

Try building her tanky, like an AP or AD or even hybrid bruiser. Especially with Steraks, you'll find that you might have more success.

Arakadia1 votes

Abbyssal is great on her too! That first paragraph was exactly what I've heard and believe.

Dominick Destine1 votes

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. I want to say she's the most balanced champion

No. She is currently underpowered and this is coming from a very long time Evelynn player.

But it's better this way because when she is powerful she utterly destroys all opposition.

At the moment, she would only deal 15/20/25% of the enemies full health in damage, making her a real threat

Her ult post-rework did max damage instead of current. It was awesome.

Riot deemed it overpowered and nerfed it... then nerfed the cooldown, then nerfed the range... then nerfed the ratio.... Agony's Embrace is probably the most over-nerfed ultimate in the game... that being said; It's taken it up the Bee-Hive because the bulk of Evelynn's power budget is (obviously) taken up by Shadow Walk. They want her to be INCREDIBLY weak head-on to force her to pick her battles wisely, only when the enemy is wounded or you outnumber them. Notice how this correlates to her ult use? yeah, that.

Anyway she does need a buff, but not to the ultimate.

Arakadia1 votes

Isnt she an assassin? Aren't assassins supposed to execute targets with low health and are wounded? Her ult doesn't do this and the only thing that makes her seem like an assassin is her passive. The one thing I hate about her is that you cant pinky the whole map and she can jump on squishy people like kogmaw, jinx, etc. who have poor escapes when their in melee range.

Dominick Destine1 votes

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Isnt she an assassin?

Yep, assassin / mage.

Aren't assassins supposed to execute targets with low health and are wounded?

Somewhat.

Dark Frenzy would indicate that she is best used as clean-up which somewhat contradicts the way Agony's Embrace is set-up.

Her ult doesn't do this

What's your point? Evelynn is best when she is stalking isolated targets; opening with Agony's Embrace sets you up so far ahead your target in terms of health (+Evelynn -Enemy) that a rapid duel will greatly favor you, the slow is conducive to this as well. That's the whole point.

and the only thing that makes her seem like an assassin is her passive.

And Dark Frenzy... and Ravage.... do you even Evelynn?

The one thing I hate about her is that you cant pinky the whole map and she can jump on squishy people like kogmaw, jinx, etc. who have poor escapes when their in melee range.

I have no idea what that means.

Anyway Evelynn does need a buff but not to her ultimate... I'd say a rework would be better.

Arakadia1 votes

What's your point? Evelynn is best when she is stalking isolated targets; opening with Agony's Embrace sets you up so far ahead your target in terms of health (+Evelynn -Enemy) that a rapid duel will greatly favor you, the slow is conducive to this as well. That's the whole point.

She has good dueling potential yes, but shes strong in teamfights where they are grouped. An assassin doesn't want long, drawn out fight nor a real fight. They want a swift, clean kill.

And Dark Frenzy... and Ravage.... do you even Evelynn?

No I don't play eve. Dark frenzy isn't like an assassin but a hunter or horsmen. Or even a strider. Ravage is something a monster might do. Not really an assassin.

I never said anything about eve's balance. I said I hated that she can jump on you without you knowing till its too late. And its not like you can pinky the whole map.

Dominick Destine1 votes

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No I don't play eve.

Well that explains your atrocious arguments.

Arakadia1 votes

How the hell does is saying she doesnt fit her theme and her passive feels unfari/annoying as you can't carry true sight with you sound atrocious.

Dominick Destine1 votes

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How the hell does is saying she doesnt fit her theme and her passive feels unfari/annoying as you can't carry true sight with you sound atrocious.

You are talking absolute nonsense and even without looking at your stats I know you are bronze which further cements my argument. http://www.lolskill.net/summoner/NA/Arakadia/summary Bronze V.... called it. You do not even have a basic understanding of how Evelynn functions... therefore your arguments are based on nothing and can be casually dismissed.

Arakadia1 votes

How is that nonsense!? Im bronze 4 I thought, and last season was silver 3. I dont need to play eve to know that its annoying to play against her and she doesnt fit her theme at all. Those have nothing to do with gameplay. Rethink your argument before you spit out your first thought.

EDIT: It appears you have a -90 lolking score btw :O

Dominick Destine2 votes

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Those have nothing to do with gameplay. Rethink your argument before you spit out your first thought.

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Those have nothing to do with gameplay. Rethink your argument

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Those have nothing to do with gameplay

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Arakadia1 votes

I WASNT TALKING ABOUT THIS POST! I WAS TALKING ABOUT MY PERSONAL OPINION ABOUT EVE! [zombie-brand-facepalm]

Brutalitops011 votes

I play Eve. A lot. She doesn't need any buffs. Her abilities aren't the best, when looked at on their own. Her passive is a permanent stealth (easy level 2 cheese invades and if you don't do this you should just not play her ever again) and restores 2% missing mana per second while stealthed. Her Q does really nice damage and, with a Rylai's Crystal Scepter, is a near PERMANENT 20% slow (you try outrunning her without swifties, especially with Runic Echos and Dead Man's Plate). Her W is a great movement speed buff that allows her to close the gap after using her ult, it removes slows, its cooldown goes down by 1 second per enemy hit, and it completely resets on kill or assist. Her E counts as 2 hits for things like Thunderlord's, making it pretty amazing for procing that with your level 2 invade, and it deals some really nice damage and grants an attack speed buff (might I just point out, 120% attack speed at max rank; more than Kog'Maw's W). Her ultimate deals % current health damage, making it great for initiating, and gives her a huge shield (150/225/350 * number of champions hit) and slows all enemies hit. As she stands right now, she can abuse items very well (Dead Man's Plate for movement speed and tankiness, Lich Bane for burst, Rylai's for permaslows, Runic Echos for moving fast and dealing damage) and she's a lot stronger than the average Eve player will realize. I don't think she needs any buffs at all. She's already enough to make your enemies rage when you get in their faces and 1-shot them despite not having a ton of AP. If all 5 of the enemies don't always have a pink ward in the best 5 positions for a pink ward to be (and at least 1 spare on them), they're pretty much just gonna get rekt. I've outrun more Nasus Withers than I can count just by pressing a button and removing the slow while also hitting them with Q constantly as I ran away. They won't be able to catch you because of the permanent slow and your movement speed buff and slow removal comes back up before Nasus's Wither does. Plus comes the fact that her stealth makes it so that she can't have any real burst. Eve's original kit fit the assassin description a lot better than her current one. She's already received 2 reworks. You wanna know Eve's original kit? Maybe it'll help you understand why her abilities aren't insanely individually strong right now. Passive: Evelynn takes 50% reduced damage from MINIONS and TURRETS. FIFTY PERCENT. LESS DAMAGE. FROM MINIONS AND TURRETS. Dive at whatever level you want, it doesn't matter. Q: only real changes have been damage value tweaks. W: Evelynn stealths instantly for up to 1 minute. When she leaves stealth, she stuns the first enemy she basic attacks. This also didn't have the reveal range, in other words, you spend 125 gold to put a pink at EVERY POSSIBLE ANGLE she could come from or you die super quickly while she doesn't care about anything your turret does or anything you do because stun. E: again, unchanged except for damage values. R: Passive: kills and assists heal Evelynn for 50% of the killed enemy's maximum health. Let me repeat that. KILLS AND ASSISTS HEAL FOR FIFTY PERCENT OF THE ENEMY'S MAX HEALTH. Active for the movement speed buff (and I believe it could be used without breaking stealth.) If you can't see why Riot shoved her into the ground from looking at her initial kit, I don't know what will make you get it. Right now, Eve can abuse items and be very strong. She won't be as strong as original Evelynn, but she was pretty busted. Here's the build I usually go for on her: Core: item 1402 item 3116 Damage: item 3100 item 3146 Defense: item 3742 For boots, I use Boots of Mobility. The strategy: Start Hunter's Talisman + Refillable Potion. Level 2 cheese invade. Clear your first camp, then go into the enemy jungle and steal the enemy's buff and kill the enemy jungler. Then, take the other camp on that side that wouldn't be gone. Back. Pick up Hunter's Machete and Hunter's Potion. Check whichever buff you stole from the enemy to see if they're stealing it. If they are, kill them and go clear the side you haven't already taken from them. If not, go find them and kill them and clear the side you haven't already taken from them. Back if you need to, then farm your entire jungle to get 6, then gank. Kills and assists from good ganks will snowball you even further. Counter jungle when you can and kill the enemy jungler any time you see him if you aren't too low. For teamfights, you can either run into the front and initiate with your ultimate or wait in the sidelines for the enemy team to initiate, then run in and drop your ult and kill the carry. I recommend the second because it will trick the enemy into believing that they're engaging a 4v5 fight if they don't have a strong initiate comp and the first if they do have a strong initiate comp. If you initiate into them, they lose the element of surprise and your team can back off while they blow valuable cooldowns on you. If they initiate into you, you can assassinate the enemy carry with ease (especially useful if they have someone like a Kog'Maw and are going for a protect the carry comp). She feels a lot stronger when you know the right strategy to use on her than she does if you're clueless, and I certainly don't recommend playing her unless you plan to put in some work figuring out what to do. She's a champion who takes some games and some time to master, but she's so rewarding once you do.

Mistikal1 votes

She used to have a very strong ult that dealt percent health damage. First it dealt max hp percent health, then they changed it to missing health percent and people used it as an execute. That damage combined with DFG (never forget) made her ridiculous and thats why her ult was changed to what it is today. it was unfair to have her walk up behind your whole team smash 2(w/e you set dfg for) > R > E > W > Q > Q >* kill the enemy adc* > W run away and keep pushing Q. completely winning a team fight solo cus while they all turn to save their adc (and in vayne - puns) your team colapses and wins. it was just not fair. thus, she is where she is. semi useless ad tank assassin thing.

Quepha1 votes

It doesn't make a difference if there are better initiate ults out there, Evelynn's ult is best used to initiate.

No, Evelynn can't have a better initiate ult. Her stealth means she has the easiest time of any champion in the game to get into the perfect position to initiate.

lolipopevelynn1 votes

eve needs another rework, which will only happen when they get around to reworking stealth in general, which will only happen during the assassin update, MAYBE.

nothing else needs to be said. she is an assassin that is forced into a bruiser build and play style because of nerfs. eve is not a brusier, she is not a tank, she was always meant to be a mid lane glass canon assassin and at one point she worked BEST as a mid laner than a jungler. nerfs forced her exclusively into the jg and further nerfs forced her into being a bruiser type champ. currently she is the only champion in the game that has COMPLETELY lost her true identity, which was that of a mid lane assassin.

ViashinoWizard1 votes

The only way Eve can ever be allowed to be strong is if she loses her ability to ignore stealth wards.

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