PSA the cleaver stack build is not good.

Rexxiee·Nov 13, 2017·33 votes·1,417 views

Stop spamming threads about it being "OP" or whatever when the build is garbage.

18 Comments

redniwediSNov 13, 20178 votes

What do you mean? Health stacking with no resistances has always made you unkillable, so doing so with added damage has to be good, right?

meowwow7Nov 13, 20171 votes

that explains the popularity of malz op post then

nice tableNov 13, 20172 votes

well technically since resistances are a joke right now ...

Critmaster GarenNov 13, 20177 votes

depends on who youre playing :)

might not be op, but can be good and fun on the right champions. i have been doing it successful for the past couple games.

its not nearly as problematic as press the attack and klepto on some champions though.

i honestly dont want to hear any complaints about cleaver stacking until those are fixed.

HammermancerNov 13, 20171 votes

I mean i don't think it's that good but

the issue is that you can take press the attack and stack cleavers on vayne and then people will be like RAWWWRRR

Critmaster GarenNov 13, 20174 votes

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I mean i don't think it's that good but

the issue is that you can take press the attack and stack cleavers on vayne and then people will be like RAWWWRRR

i think the main benefit from the rune is that it makes item 3071 + item 3078 a viable combination, since it doesnt matter that youre overcapping on cdr on your other items.

combining cleaver and triforce used to be difficult in the same build, since it made other itemization less cost effective, since you were bound to overcap on cdr at some point.

now you dont have to give a fuck and can freely combine item 3078 item 3071 item 3110 item 3065 item 3083 depending on the champion youre playing.

an interesting side effect is, that it buffs blue buff even for resourceless champions, since it grants 10% cdr, or a decent amount of ap/ad when youre over cap.

EedatNov 13, 20171 votes

Building no AS on Vayne.....

HammermancerNov 13, 20176 votes

but... memes

Ultra Rapid FyreNov 13, 20173 votes

garen is why stacking cleavers actually works. He has a flat damage reduction making the need for anything but damage and HP irrelivant in lower bracket games / in blind pick games with morons.

So your PSA is just an opinion and nothing else

Pierce The VealNov 14, 20172 votes

Hey hey hey!

Now at least a death's dance, black cleaver, iceborn guantlet, trinity force, spirit visage build is actually viable and maybe even good.

Fight me. This build plus transcendence gives you 90% cdr aka 60 bonus attack damage as well.

The total build will get you 25+40+70+60=195 bonus AD on top of giving decent hp, sustain, and defenses, as well as making you sticky af. Might try it out on Olaf or Jax or Irelia or someone. Seems like absolute aids tbh.

ahferroin7Nov 14, 20173 votes

One of my friends on the EUW servers did this on Nasus on a bet the other day. He got a pentakill 1v5 just after finishing the build and came out with almost half health. The enemy team literally surrendered on the spot despite being ahead in everything but kills at that point (and they were only behind in kills because they kept ganking him with essentially zero success).

DragonSheaNov 14, 20171 votes

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One of my friends on the EUW servers did this on Nasus on a bet the other day. He got a pentakill 1v5 just after finishing the build and came out with almost half health. The enemy team literally surrendered on the spot despite being ahead in everything but kills at that point (and they were only behind in kills because they kept ganking him with essentially zero success).

On that day, they learned to respect the dog god with the pimp cane.

Pierce The VealNov 14, 20171 votes

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One of my friends on the EUW servers did this on Nasus on a bet the other day. He got a pentakill 1v5 just after finishing the build and came out with almost half health. The enemy team literally surrendered on the spot despite being ahead in everything but kills at that point (and they were only behind in kills because they kept ganking him with essentially zero success).

Not surprised at all. They can't run, their armor is shredded, he's tanky af, and he has lots of sustain. It's insane.

Shuyin178Nov 14, 20171 votes

iceborn guantlet, trinity force

You friend might want to re-think part of the build.

Pierce The VealNov 14, 20171 votes

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You friend might want to re-think part of the build.

They both proc. Iceborn does the aoe and on the main target trinity damage is dealt. Not a bad build really.

FCJAAAAGOOOONov 13, 20171 votes

I agree; it's not good.

But it's not BAD either. It's probably best on Wukong or Garen since they can put HP to good use; Wukong with his passive and ult channel and Garen with his passive and damage reduction. I wouldn't build it on just anyone.