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Sometimes I lose faith in the gameplay boards

Lady Hammerlock··28 votes·1,885 views

Ever thought of, before you make a post make sure to add a pinch of thought and a cup of liquified logic, here's a list of things i have found on gameplay and discussion with just to much salt put in and a drugged with some toxic venom in there to

  1. Complaining about how Fiora, the GRAND DUELIST, can duel people(fml this made me laugh for a good 10 minutes)
  2. Complaining about how, juggernauts, deal to much damage when they are up close
  3. Complaining how some immobile mages has to much 'mobility' because of a summoner spell and item 3152
  4. The pointless amount of Caitlyn posts, i mean really, i understand that her traps are hella annoying but it's time to stop
  5. Rambling about how Illaoi has no counterplay, i mean it's like she has no mobility and that her ultimate is avoidable Gasp
  6. The rare 'X bruiser does so much damage but is hard to kill post', gee i wonder if they were designed in such a way that they are supposed to do that
  7. The ever occasional why'd you ban X player for doing X break the meta for this single X reason, well for one the fact that these posts are on gameplay and not on PBM is a sin alone but the fact that people completely ignore other reasons for the ban is even worse
  8. That really rare but often frustrating post about Vayne going to not-so-detailed explanation as to why she's broken, i mean sure she can melt squishes and tanks alike but c'mon.... it is time to stop
  9. pretty sure there are more, but don't get me wrong, sometimes people make absolutely wonderful and detailed, non-biased posts here and that is great but....

Remember kids, don't even think about adding more than pinch of salt to your posts

EDIT: Because apparently people ignored the last part and the intro what i mean in 1. is THAT SHE IS LITERALLY DESIGNED TO DUEL(lore wise, kit wise) and she isn't good at much else, she's an amazing duelist and mediocre diver depending on comp, don't think anyone could tell but in terms of gameplay Fiora actually practically follows her title and no don't put exaggerations down there, that would make it as bad as this post i made when i was sleepy

39 Comments

Ralanr25 votes

You had faith?

TyrekGoldenspear3 votes

My thoughts exactly.

bbQsauçe9 votes

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ForgiveColour3 votes

feedback

I lold

doiminat0r36002 votes

Feedback? More of a rant echo chamber. The amount of posts I saw a few patches ago about lethality was absurd. Especially since most of them were made by 1 guy. When the boards hate something, somehow, everyone hates that thing. When Vei was played once in the LCS, the boards hated it and then everyone hated it and then Vei got nerfed. This has happened many times with many other champions.

It was made for providing feedback but has turned into something completely different that actually helps make the community more toxic with the spread and hate of specific game mechanics that are common practice.

It's sad really.

GayFluffyUnicorn1 votes

Conveniently forget about the fact vi was the highest winrate and pickrate jungler for like 3 months. Nerfs needed to happen.

doiminat0r36001 votes

Not to mention that Lee Sin has been dominating the jungle for multiple seasons. Not to mention when he started getting bad, they buffed his Ult.

Then there's Amumu, the only champion that should be that high because everything he does is telegraphed and people are stupid.

Jeddy0176 votes

Don't you know silly? Gameplay & Balance is really just Salt & QQ with the occasional thought out posts. Sorry mate, but the salt is likely not going away.

Now if you excuse me, I'm going to go watch this weeks episode of "G&B QQ wheel" where they decide what to QQ anout this week.

Dolasaur3 votes

I put $5 on Jhin being "gutted" by the DFT nerf.

Jeddy0172 votes

I'm taking the safe route & betting on Yasuo because he has 10 spots.

midnight oil245 votes

What i love is how people complain about meta champ after meta champ, saying they're not fun to play against or with, but the moment you suggest that the same could be applied to mage supports they say to stop being unaccepting of change.

Mr Killalot3 votes

Yeah it's annoying when people are complaining about things that are hardly a problem (Caitlyn ,Illaoi ) when you have the issues of Jayce , Quinn running around crushing everyone because of lethality. I don't know the last time I played with one of these two and they didn't take over the game.

WoonStruck3 votes

  1. You thinking titles, which are flavor text ONLY, should have an impact on balance is even more laughable. Nobody said she shouldn't be able to duel, but your line of thinking is completely faulty.

  2. No, everyone complains about cait, even at high MMR. There's a reason for it.

  3. 'bruisers' were not designed that way. There's a reason they're getting effectively much squishier with the vanguard update.

  4. Its talking about meta, so it has a place on gameplay. There isn't a reason for the ban. People used to play 2/1/2 and other DotA-esque set-ups, then people started jungling. This left one player in a 2v1. Was anyone banned for that? No. Should it be now? No. This is why League is so insanely stale. They snuff out innovation.

  5. Vayne has very large problems when she's a problem. People already have stopped complaining because her pointless buff that made her broken was reverted.

  6. Your post is just as bad as a lot of the worst lol. Half of your points aren't even points.

Asayake 5150glow3 votes

{quoted}

  1. You thinking titles, which are flavor text ONLY, should have an impact on balance is even more laughable. Nobody said she shouldn't be able to duel, but your line of thinking is completely faulty.

  2. No, everyone complains about cait, even at high MMR. There's a reason for it.

  3. 'bruisers' were not designed that way. There's a reason they're getting effectively much squishier with the vanguard update.

  4. Its talking about meta, so it has a place on gameplay. There isn't a reason for the ban. People used to play 2/1/2 and other DotA-esque set-ups, then people started jungling. This left one player in a 2v1. Was anyone banned for that? No. Should it be now? No. This is why League is so insanely stale. They snuff out innovation.

  5. Vayne has very large problems when she's a problem. People already have stopped complaining because her pointless buff that made her broken was reverted.

  6. Your post is just as bad as a lot of the worst lol. Half of your points aren't even points.

  1. It's called theme. Fiora literally cannot teamfight, she cannot roam, she can't make picks, she doesn't have neutral objective control, she doesn't oneshot towers, she doesn't oneshot minion waves from a mile away, she can't do anything except duel people. So naturally, she's the best. If you're a good duelist, she needs to play well and probably needs to get a good Riposte off. That means dodge the Riposte and don't blow anything important on it. If you're bad at dueling, don't even try. Someone designed to be able to match, and trump, the best duelists is going to crush a CC bot.
WoonStruck1 votes

Again, never said she shouldn't be able to duel, just that her title has nothing to do with it. Her title ties into lore, and lore has absolutely nothing to do with balance. Gameplay can try to match theme, while theme is revealed by lore, but even then it still has nothing to do with balance.

Hell, Fiora isn't even the best duelist right now, just to prove a point.

Ultîma1 votes

What are you suggesting is wrong with her then? You're kind of hammering on someone's logic without presenting much of a counter-argument regarding your position.

WoonStruck2 votes

Using something that's irrelevant to balance as a balance argument is simply faulty.

Hell, half of what OP says is faulty. None of it addresses the logic of any threads he's complaining about, and if he's not complaining about threads, he's twisting a viewpoint to try to make his argument sound better.

Kinda weird that you're suggesting I'm hammering someone's logic without presenting much of a counter-argument for my position when that's EXACTLY what OP's doing.

Mobslick1 votes

yea the argument should be that she's intended to be a duelist not her title....

Lady Hammerlock1 votes

{quoted}

Using something that's irrelevant to balance as a balance argument is simply faulty.

Hell, half of what OP says is faulty. None of it addresses the logic of any threads he's complaining about, and if he's not complaining about threads, he's twisting a viewpoint to try to make his argument sound better.

Kinda weird that you're suggesting I'm hammering someone's logic without presenting much of a counter-argument for my position when that's EXACTLY what OP's doing.

Sorry, i made this while i was sleepy, should've clarified 1. a bit more

WoonStruck1 votes

No worries, everyone does it. Even MM has fallen victim every now and again lol.

Asayake 5150glow1 votes

{quoted}

Again, never said she shouldn't be able to duel, just that her title has nothing to do with it. Her title ties into lore, and lore has absolutely nothing to do with balance. Gameplay can try to match theme, while theme is revealed by lore, but even then it still has nothing to do with balance.

Hell, Fiora isn't even the best duelist right now, just to prove a point.

No, but the point is, the only thing she can do is duel, so she should be the best at it (+ skill, ofc).

Who's better? I can't think of anyone, not even the OP's. Jax is close, but it's a skill match up. I know Riven and Irelia are too. She outscales Renekton. She crushes most juggernauts. Ranged is all about Riposte, although good kiting will fuck her. Other than that, not sure.

Probably because I can't really tell who's OP right now.

Ultîma3 votes

People complain about Illaoi not having counterplay? Wat.

Orangesilk1 votes

All the time, it's incredible, or "Cancerous design".

Hell, during the Cho craze the haters were posting how Cho was "Broken" and "Had no counterplay".

fuffychan2 votes

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DesolationKaizer2 votes

Yeah, I never had faith in the gameplay section of the forums. It's just a swirling nexus of negativity and salt that threatens to devour your happiness if you linger for too long.

DragonShea2 votes

You forgot to add that people need to read posts before downvoting good idea's to oblivion because they lack brains.

And BTW I totally agree with all of your points OP.

Spacesuit Spiff2 votes

Before you try to make a point, ask yourself this: can i say all the same arguments but end with the opposite conclusion? If yes, shush

Lady Hammerlock1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Spacesuit Spiff,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fIc2EjXn,comment-id=000a,timestamp=2017-03-08T18:33:09.444+0000)

Before you try to make a point, ask yourself this: can i say all the same arguments but end with the opposite conclusion? If yes, shush

If i didn't end with 9 i'd actually offend some of the good gameplay boards members, so shush

Vegas Dad2 votes

{quoted}

Ever thought of, before you make a post make sure to add a pinch of thought and a cup of liquified logic, here's a list of things i have found on gameplay and discussion with just to much salt put in and a drugged with some toxic venom in there to

  1. Complaining about how Fiora, the GRAND DUELIST, can duel people(fml this made me laugh for a good 10 minutes)
  2. Complaining about how, juggernauts, deal to much damage when they are up close
  3. Complaining how some immobile mages has to much 'mobility' because of a summoner spell and item 3152
  4. The pointless amount of Caitlyn posts, i mean really, i understand that her traps are hella annoying but it's time to stop
  5. Rambling about how Illaoi has no counterplay, i mean it's like she has no mobility and that her ultimate is avoidable Gasp
  6. The rare 'X bruiser does so much damage but is hard to kill post', gee i wonder if they were designed in such a way that they are supposed to do that
  7. The ever occasional why'd you ban X player for doing X break the meta for this single X reason, well for one the fact that these posts are on gameplay and not on PBM is a sin alone but the fact that people completely ignore other reasons for the ban is even worse
  8. That really rare but often frustrating post about Vayne going to not-so-detailed explanation as to why she's broken, i mean sure she can melt squishes and tanks alike but c'mon.... it is time to stop
  9. pretty sure there are more, but don't get me wrong, sometimes people make absolutely wonderful and detailed, non-biased posts here and that is great but....

Remember kids, don't even think about adding more than pinch of salt to your posts

Poople like you make me lose faith in humanity. Not going to bust up all your horsecrap the first one says it all. Fiora the grand duelist okay so that makes it okay for a 0/9/0 fiora down 3 levels and 80 cs to still faceroll anyone because her title is "grand duelist". Please man this game is supposed to be about 100 times more than a silly adjective in the champions name... Stop pretending because fiora is called a duelist it means she must win every 1 v 1 confrontation.

Lady Hammerlock1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Vegas Dad,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fIc2EjXn,comment-id=000e,timestamp=2017-03-08T19:37:14.205+0000)

Poople like you make me lose faith in humanity. Not going to bust up all your horsecrap the first one says it all. Fiora the grand duelist okay so that makes it okay for a 0/9/0 fiora down 3 levels and 80 cs to still faceroll anyone because her title is "grand duelist". Please man this game is supposed to be about 100 times more than a silly adjective in the champions name... Stop pretending because fiora is called a duelist it means she must win every 1 v 1 confrontation.

Except Fiora has basically two good aspects about her

  1. she can split push
  2. she can duel 1 and 2 go hand in hand, and when the hell did i say Fiora can faceroll you 0/9/0 3 levels down with 80 cs, and frankly she probably can't, that is just an absurd exaggeration and if YOU sir lost against that, then you're the one playing badly and before you even try pull a 'she has an aoe heal, ITS AMAZING FOR TEAMFIGHTING YOU NOOB', that is if -she can hit all 4 vitals -hope to god the support isn't an idiot and lets you murder the backline with it -hope to god your team mates aren't retards

The thing is, she excels at duelling, and complaining about how a person literally designed to duel, is duelling well is retarded She shouldn't win every one vs one, but she should make every one vs one challenging, thematically she follows the dream of a 'grand duelist' kit and design wise, so she duels well

and she doesn't win every one on one, thats just stupid, there are some really serious skill match ups when playing Fiora, that when even either party has to see who plays better

DuskDaUmbreon1 votes

And how you get ripped apart for reminding people of CLASS counters…Reminding people that Ahri (and other high-mobility assassins) will always beat Vayne and Jhin (and other "broken" squishes)...

Risk of Fate1 votes

Honestly, I don't even look at Gameplay anymore with how much people complain and apparently I know nothing about Lux even though I have close to 500 games on her across three seasons? As well, someone will always find something to gripe about even if everything is balanced, there's 0 lag and your team are LCS players.

I think this is a good read http://kotaku.com/frustration-can-improve-video-games-designer-found-1793045192

Toastersaot1 votes

You for got about the tank QQ going both ways.

Tank Players: Tanks are WAY to squishy late game.

People who play against Tanks: Tanks do too much DAMAGE Early-Mid Game, and are still too tanky to kill.

However, with the announcement of the Vanguard update it's died down quite a bit, which is a good thing.

Tiddy Twister1 votes

  1. No champion should be able to duel EVERYONE. That's bad design. No one else comes close.

  2. Fair.

  3. Who does this? Can you give a link?

  4. "It's time to stop".

  5. Not that I would complain about Illaoi , but keep in mind that "avoid champion at all costs" is not reasonable counterplay. (Think Syndra ).

  6. You don't think doing too much damage and being hard to kill is a problem? Just because a champion is designed a certain way, doesn't mean it's necessarily balanced.

  7. Ok.

  8. "It's time to stop".

  9. Not an argument, but makes the list look longer. Guess I'll match it.

Remember kids, "it's time to stop" isn't a very good argument.

Lady Hammerlock1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Tiddy Twister,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fIc2EjXn,comment-id=000f,timestamp=2017-03-08T20:18:57.087+0000)

  1. No champion should be able to duel EVERYONE. That's bad design. No one else comes close.

  2. Fair.

  3. Who does this? Can you give a link?

  4. "It's time to stop".

  5. Not that I would complain about Illaoi , but keep in mind that "avoid champion at all costs" is not reasonable counterplay. (Think Syndra ).

  6. You don't think doing too much damage and being hard to kill is a problem? Just because a champion is designed a certain way, doesn't mean it's necessarily balanced.

  7. Ok.

  8. "It's time to stop".

  9. Not an argument, but makes the list look longer. Guess I'll match it.

Remember kids, "it's time to stop" isn't a very good argument.

It's time to stop was meant to be more of a joke rather than an argument, but it is really annoying seeing the same post complaining about the same shite all the time

Aptest1 votes

any champion that is "supposed to beat you" when you is the majority of champions, is by definition a bad design.

GULAG 4 U1 votes

Expecting logic from bronze-gold league of legends players?

Sorry OP, ya played yourself hard.

Dolasaur1 votes

7.The ever occasional why'd you ban X player for doing X break the meta for this single X reason, well for one the fact that these posts are on gameplay and not on PBM is a sin

Makes me cry too.

1.Complaining about how Fiora, the GRAND DUELIST, can duel people(fml this made me laugh for a good 10 minutes)

I love the number of replies that claim you said Fiora should be able to 1v1 everyone in the game, even when 0/9/0, etc.

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