ADC "diversity"

Hayaishi2·Dec 10, 2015·1 votes·851 views

Riot wanted ADC diversity and guess what? Vayne, Trist Jinx still among the top played ADC, like before the pre season. But at least Cait, MF and Lucian(Lucian and Cait don't even have positive win rates unlike cancer vayne who sits a the top of popularity and win rate) are also in there. Corki, Graves, Kog Maw, Ashe rarely see any play, Varus, Ezreal suck complete dick despite having better itemization than before.

We didn't need new items, what we needed and still do is gut Vayne trist and Jinx.

11 Comments

Dominick DestineDec 11, 20154 votes

I am not an ADC player but I play support.

In my opinion as a non ADC player... this is the most diverse ADC meta I've ever seen ... Kalista, Vayne, Jinx, Lucian, Graves, Corki and even MF are all very viable.... I'd say maybe Ezreal and Ashe are probably the only ones unable to compete in the current meta. Say what you will about the pre-seasonal changes, they successfully made more ADCs viable.

BloodStoneDec 11, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fIY7d1vE,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2015-12-11T00:37:24.846+0000)

I am not an ADC player but I play support.

In my opinion as a non ADC player... this is the most diverse ADC meta I've ever seen ... Kalista, Vayne, Jinx, Lucian, Graves, Corki and even MF are all very viable.... I'd say maybe Ezreal and Ashe are probably the only ones unable to compete in the current meta. Say what you will about the pre-seasonal changes, they successfully made more ADCs viable.

Agreed. Complaining about Vayne is useless. Improving your gameplay is what you should be worried about.

Flyer BeastDec 11, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fIY7d1vE,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2015-12-11T00:37:24.846+0000)

I am not an ADC player but I play support.

In my opinion as a non ADC player... this is the most diverse ADC meta I've ever seen ... Kalista, Vayne, Jinx, Lucian, Graves, Corki and even MF are all very viable.... I'd say maybe Ezreal and Ashe are probably the only ones unable to compete in the current meta. Say what you will about the pre-seasonal changes, they successfully made more ADCs viable.

Kalista Isn't remotely close to viable. Varus isn't remotely close to viable. Urgot Never has been. Ezreal Ashe yup definitely unviable. Twitch is OP. Vayne is OP. Tristana is OP. Jinx is debatable. Lucian is also OP.

Social Justice 1Dec 11, 20152 votes

Vayne's popularity might decline now that she can't rush two zeal items to outdamage you.

MF and Lucian are getting played more than Jinx and Tristana right now, and they both hurt like a motherfucker thanks to new Essence Reaver

Also, Ezreal is actually pretty good if your game doesn't end before 20 minutes. His scaling has only improved.

Hayaishi2Dec 11, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=Social Justice 1,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fIY7d1vE,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2015-12-11T00:32:39.384+0000)

Vayne's popularity might decline now that she can't rush two zeal items to outdamage you.

MF and Lucian are getting played more than Jinx and Tristana right now, and they both hurt like a motherfucker thanks to new Essence Reaver

Also, Ezreal is actually pretty good if your game doesn't end before 20 minutes. His scaling has only improved.

MF's popularity is half of Vayne's. Lucian is closer yet he has 48% win rate. Only MF rivals Vayne in win rate while having a lot less popularity.

nR1DLrSfi8Dec 11, 20151 votes

I've won plenty of games against Vayne with Corki and Graves.. the new Vayne build is pure trash early game you have to punish her early, get jungle ganks, shut her down. Corki is a HUGE early/Mid game power house but falls off hard in the late game.

Graves has both sustained damage and burst thanks to his new kit. He has a huge power spike at level 6 thanks to Q AA AA Ult combo. It's just about trapping whoever your dueling near a wall so you can get the Q to instant cast.

Hayaishi2Dec 11, 20151 votes

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I've won plenty of games against Vayne with Corki and Graves.. the new Vayne build is pure trash early game you have to punish her early, get jungle ganks, shut her down. Corki is a HUGE early/Mid game power house but falls off hard in the late game.

Graves has both sustained damage and burst thanks to his new kit. He has a huge power spike at level 6 thanks to Q AA AA Ult combo. It's just about trapping whoever your dueling near a wall so you can get the Q to instant cast.

Good for you bro. Yet Vayne's worse match ups are only MF and Quinn, against everyone else who is meant to counter her she has a win rate of 50% of more. She is clearly a problem has been for months now, along with Tristana because atleast Jinx was actually nerfed.

nR1DLrSfi8Dec 11, 20151 votes

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Good for you bro. Yet Vayne's worse match ups are only MF and Quinn, against everyone else who is meant to counter her she has a win rate of 50% of more. She is clearly a problem has been for months now, along with Tristana because atleast Jinx was actually nerfed.

My main problem with Tristana is how many people script with here because it's NEAR undetectable by the human eye. It's subtle things like milliseconds of reaction time or slight movements or using her W which are all things a skilled player could do. The easiest well to tell of course, is check play history. Losing every game other then when they play trist? GG. Went from Bronze 2 to Plat 2? GG.

But yeah I agree that vayne is bullhockey right now. But in the end there's nothing we can do. They nerf her, she get's dumpstered, Gosu wannabe's everywhere cry out, they buff her again, everyone else cries out.

BloodStoneDec 11, 20151 votes

Vayne isn't as good as you make her out to be. Ultimately it still depends on the players' skill levels. That is what ultimately determines who wins in lane.

Hayaishi2Dec 11, 20151 votes

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Vayne isn't as good as you make her out to be. Ultimately it still depends on the players' skill levels. That is what ultimately determines who wins in lane.

Yeah that 33% popularity with 53% win rate. Definitely skill.