As a person who mains a champ that benefits from damage creep...

SwiftKitten88·Jan 27, 2017·55 votes·2,979 views

plz.. for the love of god... lower the damage of the game...

i main Nidalee, she is an assassin.

her kit is designed for her to lands spears get in and get out.

so what does riot do? they remove her ability to get out... and they up the damage. so i either die.. or i get the kill. or i get the kill and still die.

what ever happened to trades? what happened to be pouncing in... and pouncing out. what happened to me ever needing to land 1 more than 1 spear on a target?

why are we at a point that i can play a champ with a 42% win rate (yay the 7.2 buffs buffed her half a percent, thanks rito...) and i can STILL 100/0 champs by landing ONE skillshot

i missing being able to land a spear pounce in.. pounce out... to TRADE.

the damage NEEDS to go down across the board... across EVERY champ.

40 Comments

A Vel Koz MainJan 27, 201716 votes

~~Cause of LCS plays~~ Boring LCS plays now

SirTeemoMushroomJan 27, 20172 votes

professional league of legends is 100% different from the normal game you and i play.

A Vel Koz MainJan 27, 201712 votes

And that other 100% difference is the reason we got that damage, was because they wanted us to have that game that nobody wanted.

SweedishGunnerJan 28, 20171 votes

If you've watched any LCS recently you'll see that fights are generally extended and lasting up to 2 minutes in some cases.

Pro-play is just so different from normal games yhat changing numbers for one type can screw up the other unfortunately.

TwitchInMyPantsJan 28, 20173 votes

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If you've watched any LCS recently you'll see that fights are generally extended and lasting up to 2 minutes in some cases.

Pro-play is just so different from normal games yhat changing numbers for one type can screw up the other unfortunately.

Pro play is so risk averse because of the level of damage though. They bring super tanks toplane, mobile bruisers in jungle, and super long range adc/mage so they're the least likely to be caught. Games are low kills but when a kill happens if its not on Naut/Poppy/Maokai its usually almost instant. Pro games look more like push wars these days since fighting is so risky they tend to stay out of range of fights.

VenomarJan 27, 20174 votes

~~#LCS#BIGPLAYS#LETSGOBOYS~~

#Farm

TwinkieProJan 28, 20175 votes

LeeSin main here. I feel you. I just either totally burst someone or get bursted :(

NiceTryViJan 28, 20171 votes

Boo hoo, Mr high skill requirement champion is not super easy to play. That is the trade off. If you want to be able to burst people, you can get bursted in turn.

TwinkieProJan 28, 20178 votes

Nice try NiceTryVi, just try more nicely.

NiceTryViJan 28, 20171 votes

Oh, I am sorry, let me coddle you more, like riot does with that busted champ. Grow up, Lee is supposed to be hard. Lee is supposed to be risky. You aren't supposed to be able to waltz up, do a ton of damage, and waltz out while tanking. Lee is a skirmisher, which means he has high damage vs a single target, but he can easily be popped if he gets focused. If you want to be able to survive an entire team, play a tank.

TwinkieProJan 29, 20172 votes

Your jimmies appear to be rustled. Might I suggest yoga?

NiceTryViJan 29, 20171 votes

You seem to be lacking in fundamental knowledge of champions. Might I suggest reading?

TwinkieProJan 29, 20171 votes

http://imgur.com/a/zQItG/?noredirect

I mean, alright. I'd love to hear your thoughts on how Vi is underpowered though.

You could always change your name to "NiceTryBraum." Seems to actually work for you.

NiceTryViJan 29, 20171 votes

Nice ad hominem attack you got there. Maybe take a look at my S5 and S6 statistics where i played hundreds of games, instead of this season where I played all of 30. But by all means, try to distract people from the fact that you are dead wrong about Lee and trying to keep your overloaded champ too strong. I never said Vi was underpowered. In fact, before CoC, she was perfectly balanced. And I said many times that CoC needs to be removed and should never have been implemented. I am not biased, I am experienced, something you are clearly the opposite of.

Bladerunner7777Jan 28, 20172 votes

Oh, Nidalee main says there's too much damage! Welp I guess it's settled folks!

Ben SharpioJan 27, 20171 votes

No. the damage isnt high enough when cait is lifestealing/getting shields to survive all threats

SwiftKitten88Jan 27, 201724 votes

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No. the damage isnt high enough when cait is lifestealing/getting shields to survive all threats

if the damage wasn't so high she wouldn't be life stealing as much damage? lower damage means less life steal....

DanjengJan 27, 20174 votes

I think the point was that with lower damage, it would be harder to burst Caitlyn down. It would be a small buff to tanks, but a big buff to squishies. Most people who complain damage is too high probably mains a squishy champion. If it was lowered, they would just terrorize the land with their mighty life steal.

agbudarJan 28, 20172 votes

tbh though a lot of adc suffer from not being able to be played because they die in less then a second.

SwiftKitten88Jan 28, 20173 votes

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tbh though a lot of adc suffer from not being able to be played because they die in less then a second.

yeah there really isn't much of a point in "sustained damage" during a fight when their entire dies in 1-3 hits

i mean frankly UNLESS its like Poppy or Nautilus or some other crazy tanky champ and they are getting forces by 5 people.... people just die to damn fast

MLDzXnRRRJan 28, 20171 votes

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yeah there really isn't much of a point in "sustained damage" during a fight when their entire dies in 1-3 hits

i mean frankly UNLESS its like or or some other crazy tanky champ and they are getting forces by 5 people.... people just die to damn fast

Nautilus and Poppy should be able to burst a squishy in a full combo...

NineTailedMysticJan 29, 20172 votes

No they shouldn't lol.

SoryInAdvanceJan 28, 20172 votes

just to play devil's advocate, if you scale everything down by a flat amount, then she may life steal less, but damage is also being dealt at an equally reduced level so its essentially the same thing. And then that means she would have more health overall to life steal when just farming alone so she would technically be tankier. The only way this situation pans out is if her attack speed is less or the attacker is scaled down less than she is which would mean that adcs are then even more useless and that opens up an entirely different problem.

IllegalBagelJan 27, 20174 votes

Cait is a different case she just needs straight up nerfs

DeusVultJan 28, 20172 votes

This has to do more with lifesteal and that there are no items you can buy that you would need to counter a drain-tanking ADC

ApocylipticJan 28, 20171 votes

Ignorance in this case is just embarrassing ignorance.

NineTailedMysticJan 28, 20171 votes

A lot of the damage needs to go down, but more so for some classes than others. What's what point of Burst Mages and Assassins if they can't kill anyone?

GrReaper96Jan 28, 20172 votes

A burst mage could burst more than half the enemy health in one rotation and still be considered strong. As for assasins. they deserve to be able to 100-0 someone as long as they take a few seconds t do so, like Talon and not like Rengar Khazix

NineTailedMysticJan 28, 20171 votes

Sure, see how many people pick a Burst Mage if they can't 100-0 someone. There's no point to picking Veigar, Ahri, Lux, Brand, or Syndra if they can't actually kill someone with a rotation.

JunkοJan 28, 20172 votes

Brand actually can't kill anyone within 1 rotation, that's why he is played as a support and not as a mid mage. Veigar can't do it either until he farms for 15 min anyway, but he is still worth picking if you know his strengths and weaknesses well because his E is insanely good and he is one of the few champions that can burst tanks when they are both on even grounds.

NineTailedMysticJan 28, 20171 votes

I've been one rotationed by an EQWR Passive from Brand. It's even worse if he gets a bounce of R on you. I've also 80-0'd people on Veigar at level 6. By level 7, a stun spells death for a squishy.

JunkοJan 28, 20171 votes

Either you and the enemy had no MR, or you are lying.

NineTailedMysticJan 28, 20172 votes

Yes, no MR. It's much more reasonable to not have MR and be bursted. But even later game, some MR won't let you live.

AmazoXJan 28, 20171 votes

Mr doesn't mean anything when you are later into the game as Veigar [slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

Troll for TrumpJan 28, 20171 votes

A few seconds is too longer, as the problem. Talon can 100-0(not even that often) if people are sitting ducks for years of time.

Just pick anyone one else who has burst dmg and they'll be as good as talon, if not better.

Mael broJan 28, 20171 votes

"i main Nidalee...." No one cares

Phyuq YiuJan 28, 20171 votes

Try Quinn

NovaSpectreJan 29, 20171 votes

The problem with the "Pounce in, Pounce out" style of gameplay is that, usually, it ends up more like, "Pounce in, burst down the squishy, pounce out too fast to catch."

SwiftKitten88Jan 29, 20171 votes

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The problem with the "Pounce in, Pounce out" style of gameplay is that, usually, it ends up more like, "Pounce in, burst down the squishy, pounce out too fast to catch."

except she didn't USED to do this. the damage creep is what LET her to this, if u player with her against her her at all during season 4, you would know this

this is what nidalee used to be like

https://youtu.be/xSLZDhhQUVA?t=252

Ralph LarsJan 29, 20171 votes

Simply no. Nidaless is strong as it is and she is even getting buffed on 7.2. Players are just too busy playing Camille or Lee Sin nowadays and never get to practice Nid despite all her sieging potential.