"ashe shouldnt have top tier dps and utility" @RIOT

Woook3r·Oct 21, 2016·5 votes·569 views

well why the fuck not?? she doesnt have burst. doesnt have mobility. doesnt have free tank stats. There is plenty of shit she doenst have.

Why is it that an adc cant have two good thiings? Where is it written that the adc has to be one dimensional?

I understand she was a little bit op. Thats because she had a good laning phase. And a tactical mid game. And a great late game. Why did you go and nerf the ability she maxes SECOND? Shes an AUTO ATTACK RELIANT ADC. LEAVE HER SCALING. NERF HER EARLY ABILITY. THE W.

IMHO, you should have left the ult alone as well and just nerfed essence reaver by 5-10% as we were begging you to do at the beginning of the season. No one who uses that really well even builds it anymore. They just get cdr from black cleaver and ghostblade.

13 Comments

ahmadgazwanOct 22, 20163 votes

i dont think they should have nerfed her W further i think the 6.18 W nerf was more than enough . they should simply reverse Q damage nerf and keep her passive buff . its really sad seeing jinx and jhin getting away with minor nerfs(especially the jinx one) while ashe gets nerfed 3 times

Woook3rOct 26, 20161 votes

I disagree. I think her w does not fit with the rest of her scaling pattern. Her w is an early game ability and she is a mid late game champion. And is really dominant during those parts of the game. She shouldnt have a good laning ability. I feel like maxing w over q is the right thing, but it shouldnt be.

ahmadgazwanNov 5, 20161 votes

her W is no longer good in lane . the cd is so long and the damage is laughable compared to jhin and jinx W . they can keep her Q nerfs ,but they should buff her passive late game and nerf it early (6.20 changes where a nerf fo her late game slows) ,her W should have a higher damage and the cd on the W need to be changed ,so her W becomes more about long range damage(like jhin's W) rather than low damage spam

Hauling AsheOct 21, 20162 votes

Right? They took the laning phase poke away with cd nerfs to her W and now Q is getting nerfed to hell. She is the slowest marksman in the game, has no escapes, and can't solo unless she's fed. On top of that, she can't crit, so Q is the only thing that helps her out in the damage department.

So now her slows, the only thing she has for both kiting and damage, are OP?

Woook3rOct 26, 20161 votes

looks like you bought her legendary right before they hammered her. Sorry you didnt see that coming.

However, fyi that may be how they are treating champions now. They are dominant? Give legendary skin. Then nerf after people buy skin. It happened roughtly 4 times in roughly 4 patches around that time and in exactly the way I described.

Hauling AsheOct 26, 20161 votes

I bought the legendary skin because I'm a die hard Ashe main though.

But yeah, I saw it coming. Just didn't expect FOUR nerfs in two months.

Woook3rOct 26, 20161 votes

i started playing her right before they changed fervor. that was actually op. I would just play to keep my fervor stacking with w and auto trades specifically on the support. Then I would force an all in as the adc (I would get "caught out" basically), kite back and then win then damn fight. It was hard to lose with a fervor advantage.

Hauling AsheOct 26, 20161 votes

I use Thunderlord's on Ashe to get that burst during early lane phase because there's not much she can do besides farm initially (especially with W nerfs).

By the time I reach mid game, I hopefully have the damage and attack speed built up enough to utilize the stacked damage on her slows, which is basically its own fervor. I know Warlord's is recommended on her right now but Bloodthirster is fine for that and Thunderlord's scales with ad so I can hit their frontline hard. I see a lot of Jhin lately anyway so you can't really outsustain his ungodly damage output. Gotta burst with Q and then gtfo a lot now.

DunkinNoobsOct 21, 20162 votes

It's not like her DPS sucks now. It's just not Vayne tier.

ahmadgazwanOct 22, 20161 votes

ahmadgazwanOct 22, 20163 votes

her DPS sucks right now .the only adc that deals less damage right now is kalista (according to champion gg average damage dealt stats). and you need to remember we are talking about the most vulnerable adc in lol . right now after they nerfed her Q duration(6.17) AND damage(6.20) she is pretty much just an ult

Woook3rOct 26, 20161 votes

i need to go do the calculations, but im pretty sure that a mage like syndra has better dps in a teamfight than an adc. Its really non-nonsensical to me. Mages have 3x the burst of dps champions like adc, but their sustained dmg is never 1/3 of the adc. its more like 3/4. Those numbers are coming out of my butt, but i think it reflects the truth.