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@Riot: Can You Implement A System To Prevent First Time Playing Champs In Ranked?

Stephenizgod··13 votes·778 views

Please introduce a system that forces you to have at least played a certain number of games before you can use them in Ranked.

It actually happens quite often, someone is 0/10 or 1/20 and when you call them on it its always "Sorry first time as this champ". Then you look at their Match History and they weren't lying, they also happen to be on a lose streak where they feed miserably. Im sick of losing LP because someone is on tilt and is picking random champions. Its bad enough when people are just bad and feeding, but when they are purposely being bad and feeding, it is super aggravating. This is a fixable issue though with a simple mechanic to prevent someone from picking a champion for the first time in Ranked.

EDIT: Just to be clear you wouldn't need to re-play all your champions... it would automatically look at your match history and games played and base it off of that. New players will build up their champion pool by the time they are 30 and ready for ranked so it doesn't effect them either. The only people this would effect negatively is Smurfs, but honestly their opinion on this matter shouldn't count.

To break it down further, I was thinking along the lines of:

  • Bronze needs mastery level 3 to play a champion in Ranked, and you need at least 3 champions at this Mastery level.
  • Silver needs Mastery level 2 to play a champion in Ranked, and you need at least 3 champions at this Mastery level.
  • Gold needs Mastery level 1 to play a champion in Ranked, and you need at least 3 champions at this Mastery level.
  • Platinum and above have no Mastery requirement and only require the minimum amount of champions to play Ranked.

Obviously the requirements can be tweaked or changed so hopefully you guys can tell me what you think. If you disagree please give me a real reason this is a bad idea, no one has given me a real reason.

42 Comments

GenghisEmo2 votes

Minimum Lv3 mastery on champ? Or Minimum Lv4 mastery?

Required to play champ in Ranked

Stephenizgod1 votes

I dont see any downsides to this at all... You should not be playing Ranked with any champion you don't know that well, you should also not go into Ranked until you can at least play 2 roles sufficiently and at at least 1 other role decently.

GenghisEmo2 votes

Now if Riot can make it mandetory! If only they'd listen.

Stephenizgod1 votes

Well I was hoping to get enough upvotes for a Rioter to come here and tell us why its not a good idea, but it seems that is not going to happen.

GenghisEmo2 votes

XD. Yeah, was hoping for them to comment too.

Its a good idea.

Stephenizgod1 votes

Thank you :)

EcchiOtakuTM2 votes

lvl 3 is waay too long......

lvl 1 is fine.

GenghisEmo2 votes

Nah XD. Lv 3 is a nice goal. Instills confidence and trully determines if ur playstyle.

EcchiOtakuTM2 votes

Yea but the thing is what if someone only has 1-3 rank 3 champs? and they were to get banned in ranked? I propose lvl 1 to be on the safer side.

Stephenizgod1 votes

I was thinking like Bronze and Silver require level 3, Gold requires level 2, Plat requires level 1, and above there is no restriction because i figure if you made it Diamond you probably can pick up any champion and use them fairly well (well enough to not go 0/20 before 10 minutes).

GenghisEmo1 votes

That is what i was also thinking. Bu even golds need a Lv 3 requirement i think. They r not aweful, or as inconsistent, but they r human. And can make mistakes too.

Still prone to tilt. But by Lv 2 should know if a champ is right for them.

Stephenizgod1 votes

Yea I don't understand how people are so against this idea...

GenghisEmo1 votes

They love to tilt i guess XD!

EcchiOtakuTM1 votes

Yea I guess, gah I want it implemented I'm just iffy about the requirement cause IK how leveling to 3 feels but lvling to 2 is so reasonable. xD.

GenghisEmo1 votes

Lv 3 imo is quite easy. To 4 and especially 5 takes forever. Lv 2 makes me feel im not actually ready, even on champs that fit my playstyle.

EcchiOtakuTM1 votes

Meh we'll have to see, cause I can see going to 3 with a champ being tedious when your likes change and you may leave the champ pool you use to like/know how to use.

Also one downside is if a champ is reworked this system sadly wouldn't prevent those. I stilll want it though we just have to see if lvl 2 or 3 will be better.

Also gotta add there must be at least 7-11(if more bans are added) champs who are 2/3 cause those with a lower champion pool wouldn't be able to rank in the first place.

TL;DR: I've always wanted this system but just gotta actively check if lvl 2/3 champs are better, A minimum amount of lvl 2/3 champs. And how it'll affect those who unlike me havn't found their main champs they know to use AND love. There's probably 1 more thing that has to be checked too, but I'm probably forgetting.

GenghisEmo1 votes

Let ppl who have yet to get mains deal with it the best they can. Reworkef champs can still abuse, unless Riot implements resets on em. Even if they dont, for now still worth trying out Mastery Lv requirements.

EcchiOtakuTM1 votes

Ik it's worth trying I still want it, always will.

EcchiOtakuTM1 votes

Personally it doesn't affect me cuase I only have 27 mains which im working on rank 5 then 7 when that comes 12 of which are rank 5.

But what if someone only has 3 champs rank 3+ and they get banned? if anything the minimum amount of rank 3s would be 7-11(if we had more bans) which would be quite some time before someone could rank then they might not even like the champs they raised to 3 by the time they have enough to rank.

But that's all just stuff that's personal so not like anyone else would care :/

However I still say they should be rank 1 and if anything rank 2 but 3 is just too far.

I'm not against the idea but rank 1-2 champs maximum.

Stephenizgod1 votes

Right, didn't think of that actually. Most people only play 2-3 champions at most, so if they were banned they would be screwed. Level 1 is like 2 or 3 well played games though right? I personally don't think that is enough for most people at Bronze/Silver level of play. I need to play a champion more than 10 games to feel comfortable enough to play them in Ranked and only if I win or perform good in majority of them.

LiveYiOrDieHard1 votes

{quoted}

Right, didn't think of that actually. Most people only play 2-3 champions at most, so if they were banned they would be screwed. Level 1 is like 2 or 3 well played games though right? I personally don't think that is enough for most people at Bronze/Silver level of play. I need to play a champion more than 10 games to feel comfortable enough to play them in Ranked and only if I win or perform good in majority of them.

Or we could... I don't know... not screw over the rest of the ranked population over just because of your blame-your-teammate mentality.

Stephenizgod1 votes

right because its not the 0/11 first time Elise's fault we lost... You are the kind of person who gets an AFK and rages hard and quits but when the other team has an AFK you tell them they lost because they sucked not because the AFK...

LiveYiOrDieHard1 votes

{quoted}

right because its not the 0/11 first time Elise's fault we lost... You are the kind of person who gets an AFK and rages hard and quits but when the other team has an AFK you tell them they lost because they sucked not because the AFK...

Nah. I'm more the kind of person who doesn't want to be prevented from picking champions just because some Bronzie McGee doesn't want to let me decide on my own which champion I'll play.

But since you're on a roll why don't you make up some more wild, baseless accusations about me.

Stephenizgod1 votes

But since you're on a roll why don't you make up some more wild, baseless accusations about me

Ironic because you called me Bronzie McGee, when I am Silver, so please make yourself look stupider, it makes me laugh.

First picking a champion into Ranked is a dumb idea, its a gamble that I do not want in my Ranked games. I don't want someone picking a stupid champion into a role that absolutely will not work. I don't want people to intentionally feed, i do not want people to AFK. How am I a Bronzie McGee because i don't want my teammates giving me a disadvantage? Who in Bronze or Silver can first time a champion like Elise? Basically no one... I don't like taking that risk so Id prefer it not be one in the first place. Even if this was only a mechanic in bronze and silver, idc, i just want it to stop. People on tilt on a 20 lose streak picking random champions into my games and feeding non-stop, im sick of it. It is hard enough to carry some of these people, when I myself am not performing my best its like there was never a chance to begin with because my teammates are always freaking terrible.

LiveYiOrDieHard1 votes

{quoted}

Ironic because you called me Bronzie McGee, when I am Silver, so please make yourself look stupider, it makes me laugh.

First picking a champion into Ranked is a dumb idea, its a gamble that I do not want in my Ranked games. I don't want someone picking a stupid champion into a role that absolutely will not work. I don't want people to intentionally feed, i do not want people to AFK. How am I a Bronzie McGee because i don't want my teammates giving me a disadvantage? Who in Bronze or Silver can first time a champion like Elise? Basically no one... I don't like taking that risk so Id prefer it not be one in the first place. Even if this was only a mechanic in bronze and silver, idc, i just want it to stop. People on tilt on a 20 lose streak picking random champions into my games and feeding non-stop, im sick of it. It is hard enough to carry some of these people, when I myself am not performing my best its like there was never a chance to begin with because my teammates are always freaking terrible.

I was actually referring to the typical bronze mentality of practically every bronze out there that your teammate's picks somehow affect your own MMR in any meaningful way at all. Sure, I get that in higher elos as well too, but it's much more common in low elo because low elo doesn't understand the game so they whine about stuff that doesn't actually affect them, like their teammate's champion picks.

If you aren't performing your best then don't expect to carry somebody who is doing their worst. Really simple logic there. Here's some more simple logic. You are going to get people performing their worst. A lot of numbnuts like to act like their teammates should be "at least average" every game but if they were "at least average every game" then that "average" wouldn't be their average anymore.

Stephenizgod1 votes

No you specifically called me Bronzie McGee and that i was typical low elo garbage... highly insulting and offensive.

idk about Bronze, but in Silver your teams picks only matter if they are feeding or getting fed. When they are feeding and contributing nothing, yes you will lose and its hard to carry that. So when they pick a champ they have never played, chances are high they don't know how to contribute to the team even when behind. So yes them picking a random champ they have never played does effect my MMR because we lose...

When I am not performing my best it is obvious I wont carry, my point was that when I don't perform my best I can't carry my teammates. Its like 80% up to me to carry games, but its really hard to do that as a Support when every lane is feeding.

All I ask is to not flame, not troll, not feed. Idc how good you are, as long as you are not consistently feeding, flaming, or trolling.

LiveYiOrDieHard1 votes

{quoted}

No you specifically called me Bronzie McGee and that i was typical low elo garbage... highly insulting and offensive.

And stating I'm a flamer and ragequitter earlier in the thread isn't offensive? I also never said the word garbage. So get off your high horse.

idk about Bronze, but in Silver your teams picks only matter if they are feeding or getting fed. When they are feeding and contributing nothing, yes you will lose and its hard to carry that. So when they pick a champ they have never played, chances are high they don't know how to contribute to the team even when behind. So yes them picking a random champ they have never played does effect my MMR because we lose...

No it doesn't because you are the only constant in your games, there are 4 teammates and 5 enemies who have the_ (very low)_ possibility of feeding due to picking champs you don't think they should pick. But I'm sure you've heard this before.

Stephenizgod1 votes

Take a look at our conversation and tell me who shot first, you started this and then continued it.

I am the only constant in my games, true but that doesn't mean its not my teammates faults. You can pick whatever champion into whatever role you want, idc, but do not pick a champion you have never played before or take a champion into a role you have never taken them into before. This is not Normals, you can try that stuff out and play any champion you want there, that is kind of what it is there for. This is Ranked though, this is where you test your skills and see how you match up against other, not see if you can get carried...

So yes I am the only constant, but I am not the one who picked a random champion I have never used before, I am not the one who flamed our team, I am not the one who is 0/12 before 10 minutes, etc. We all have bad games, me included, so i can forgive that unless you are toxic or trolling. Picking a champion you have never played before into Ranked is trolling and it is not my fault I couldn't carry them.

LiveYiOrDieHard1 votes

{quoted}

Take a look at our conversation and tell me who shot first, you started this and then continued it.

I am the only constant in my games, true but that doesn't mean its not my teammates faults. You can pick whatever champion into whatever role you want, idc, but do not pick a champion you have never played before or take a champion into a role you have never taken them into before. This is not Normals, you can try that stuff out and play any champion you want there, that is kind of what it is there for. This is Ranked though, this is where you test your skills and see how you match up against other, not see if you can get carried...

So yes I am the only constant, but I am not the one who picked a random champion I have never used before, I am not the one who flamed our team, I am not the one who is 0/12 before 10 minutes, etc. We all have bad games, me included, so i can forgive that unless you are toxic or trolling. Picking a champion you have never played before into Ranked is trolling and it is not my fault I couldn't carry them.

Oh I'm sorry I didn't realize pointing out that threads where players whine about teammates are typical of low elo players was offensive.

You have fun with your thread. I'm out.

Stephenizgod1 votes

Well being a dick is typical of people who think they are high elo when they aren't, so perhaps you should rethink your life.

GenghisEmo1 votes

If some has 3 main and all are banned, then they r wat i call "OP" or "Broken" abusers.

There r exceptions, the OGs with champ loyalty, which seem few and far in between.

The abusera dont main the champ. And most in low elo, and even those that climb, lack real strategic awareness, and, in this meta more than before, lack mechanical skill.

So i think Lv3 is still good enough. Doesnt feel to bad to get Lv 3.

As for newer players, they simply are not ready. Need several games after hitting Lv30 summoner lv.

Uiraya2 votes

Mastery level four MINIMUM to play a champ in ranked, full stop.

People will bitch. People will whine. People will moan. Then people will find out how much it improves the game and will be glad it happened.

The requirements to get into ranked are FAR too lax. Any slapdick chucklenuts can fall into your silver I games and ruin it with their half rune page and forgotten masteries, and it's absurd. If ranked were properly set up where everybody started in bronze V it'd be one thing, but it isn't. Bogging down silver with newbies while people are still trying to recover from the yearly debacle that is placements is straight disrespect from our favorite "player focused" company.

Stephenizgod1 votes

Yes, I am a little agitated and I may be ranting slightly, but seriously it is already super frustrating dealing with all my teammates feeding, this issue is just a whole new level of fury...

BRBGTGBOWFLEX1 votes

I'm seeing this too much lately. And it's usually from low elo gold 5s who don't really care about their level of play.

Stephenizgod1 votes

It happens all the time in Silver, if you look at their Match History they are on huge loss streaks.

M4ndrake1 votes

Had a Lulu Support in match yesterday , says once we were in First time Lulu , went 3-14 luckily the adc jungle and me the midlaner could carry the game and win in the end.

I would be absolutley down to having a champ at least at Mastery Level 1 or 2 before you can play him in ranked

Stephenizgod1 votes

Ye it would be super helpful if there was like that, at least 10 games or something.

Stephenizgod1 votes

Why are people downvoting this post? Can someone please explain to me why there should not be a system like this in place? I see absolutely no downsides to a system like this, so I can only assume the people downvoting are Smurfs whom this system would affect the most.

LiveYiOrDieHard1 votes

Gee, let's go grind for another 2 months just to unlock champions we already own for ranked. It's not like league is grindy enough already or anything.

This is a typical low elo thread.

It's up to the individual to decide if playing a champion they're not practiced with is worth the versatility of not playing teemo support if teemo is the only champion they know how to play. If they consistently make bad decisions there, then they'll hurt their mmr. You, their teammate, on the other hand, have them for a grand total of one game with them, which means jack squat in regards to your eventual rank. You're actually going to improve your mmr in the long run simply by making the correct decision for yourself on whether or not to play familiar or unfamiliar champions.

Stephenizgod1 votes

Or maybe it just looks at your past games already? How is this grindy... you don't take a champion into ranked you don't know how to play THAT IS LOW ELO THOUGHT PROCESS...

I can make the right decision for myself but with the current meta, giving up 10 kills before 10 minutes because you don't know what the fuck you are doing is like automatically losing the game... It is so snowbally that you give 3 kills to mid, mid is now going to dominate their lane, roam bot and dominate them, etc until the game is lost... I can try to counter the terribad that is this noob who first picked a champion they have never played into my ranked game, but ultimately its not going to account for much for i am 1 person... THIS IS A TEAM BASED GAME, if a team of 4 goes against a team of 5 it is not going to be easy for the 4, if one of your teammates is consistently feeding and doing nothing it feels like a 4v6 and that is even worse.

eve candy1 votes

First time Corki i did 18/4 and penta....ranked game

Stephenizgod1 votes

Nice, but that doesn't happen often enough for my idea not to be implemented. My first time as Talon I went 17 and 2 or something like that, I got a quad and my friend stole the penta, it was not in a Ranked game though :(

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