No duskblade for my Wukong or the top 5 Wukong players globally

Radiant Wukong·Jul 27, 2018·4 votes·2,037 views

is core build. Lots of variance on the last 2 items, but mostly (will take over GA if GA isn't needed) Tiamat finishes as Titanic Hydra, and boots are always Ninja or Merc depending on the enemy matchup.

Runes are normally Conq, PoM, Tenacity, Coup against tank matchup and Elect, SI, Eyeball, Relentless for squishy matchup.

Secondary runes are almost always Transcendence, Gathering Storm (takes Nullifying Orb over GT if against magic matchup top/mid) but can be Conditioning and Overgrowth.

Which means, for the people that aren't using DB, the nimbus strike nerf is straight up just a nerf an unnecessary nerf that doesn't make sense for them or me.

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KhristophorosJul 27, 20185 votes

The "Wukong masters" according to op.gg all build Duskblade though. I think it determines that by a combination of rank, games played on the champ, and winrate on the champ. So this guy http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=gor%C3%ADlla has 904 wukong games with a 54% Wukong winrate in challenger. He builds it.

Oh I guess the ones I'm seeing are NA only. Well it still shows that Duskblade is a strong item on him if a lot of high MMR NA Wukongs are building it.

The Nocturne GodJul 28, 20181 votes

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The "Wukong masters" according to op.gg all build Duskblade though. I think it determines that by a combination of rank, games played on the champ, and winrate on the champ. So this guy http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=gor%C3%ADlla has 904 wukong games with a 54% Wukong winrate in challenger. He builds it.

Oh I guess the ones I'm seeing are NA only. Well it still shows that Duskblade is a strong item on him if a lot of high MMR NA Wukongs are building it.

Exactly. You can look at every server... every single high elo wukong MAIN uses duskblade. When you go down the ranks the prevalence goes down. So, the worse the wukong player, the lesser of a chance of db. For a bronze player to say they don't use it is completely understandable, for them to claim that the best players globally don't use it is just someone pulling info out of thin air and hoping for a blind following.

Wukong is a huge issue because his kit is extremely strong and he synergies with pretty much all the strong items, strong champions, all while having a very linear role in team fights.

The Nocturne GodJul 27, 20183 votes

You are wrong.

http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=gorílla http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=twtvlolharambe http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=4pigswith1person http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=blitzle http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=ilovezacefron

5 for 5, best wukong players using duskblade. I don't know what 5 you are looking at, but these are the top 5 wukong masters. If you aren't using duskblade on wukong in bronze and you are more than happy to stay in bronze then I am glad that you found a build that is fun to play. On the other hand, all these top ranked wukong players all use the item because it is ridiculousky easy to abuse it early game and pretty much 3 shot people with little to no counterplay.

The Nocturne GodJul 27, 20183 votes

Just an extra

http://www.op.gg/summoner/userName=근두

Best wukong in korea... he uses duskblade.

Radiant WukongJul 27, 20181 votes

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Just an extra

http://www.op.gg/summoner/userName=근두

Best wukong in korea... he uses duskblade.

This guy is actually pretty good, he does use DB, but he's not top 5. Top 10, maybe. Give me a second though, still looking for the links.

The Nocturne GodJul 27, 20182 votes

Best wukong world

http://www.lolskill.net/summoner/TR/Magnès

Uses db

Best wukong korea http://www.lolskill.net/summoner/KR/Dynamic%20Good

Uses db.

If you find like 1 out of 20 that doesn't, don't think you prove any point. When 95% do, then obviously it is an issue... but so far its been 100%. The only GOOD wukong that I checked that didn't have it, had the items to build it, but the game ended early. GOOD HIGH RANkED wukong players abuse it. LOW ranked, not so much.. but low low ranks typically don't know HOW the item is abused because they lack strat knowlede.

Radiant WukongJul 27, 20183 votes

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Best wukong world

http://www.lolskill.net/summoner/TR/Magnès

Uses db

Best wukong korea http://www.lolskill.net/summoner/KR/Dynamic%20Good

Uses db.

If you find like 1 out of 20 that doesn't, don't think you prove any point. When 95% do, then obviously it is an issue... but so far its been 100%. The only GOOD wukong that I checked that didn't have it, had the items to build it, but the game ended early. GOOD HIGH RANkED wukong players abuse it. LOW ranked, not so much.. but low low ranks typically don't know HOW the item is abused because they lack strat knowlede.

I actually just looked it up. The #1 Wukong build (roughly 80% win rate) is item 3147 item 3095 item 3078 item 3742 core build.

I guess I should have changed my post to say, highest win rate Wukong users. You're simply looking up highest ranked users that happen to play Wukong (poorly) from time to time. The high win rate, positive KDA Wukong users aren't dying more than 3 times per match, getting about 10 kills, and have a +65% win rate with the bruiser/diver build. The assassin build is good because it can instantly take out carries (Which is good for your team, but doesn't translate well in soloQ).

Anyways, you're right, the best team based Wukong players (win rate and KDA aside) are using DB.

The Nocturne GodJul 27, 20181 votes

Do you know that red icon is duskblade?

http://www.lolskill.net/summoner/LAS/Mondrąkk/champions

70% in challenger, db.

HalcyonDwellerJul 27, 20181 votes

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Do you know that red icon is duskblade?

Dude, RW is being reasonable here even being willing to acknowledge countering information and change their viewpoint. Lay off the attacks. That's just super shitty to do to them.

The Nocturne GodJul 27, 20181 votes

He didn't change his view point. He said my evidence doesn't matter because win rates mean more than ranks.... even though my proof ALSO had good winrates but he refuses to actually even look anything up himself.. didn't ven provide links after I gave tons. I clicked through the top 20, all used db... every region. I'm on a Tablet and was able to see this... there's no excuse for ignorance at this point for him.

HalcyonDwellerJul 27, 20182 votes

They did change their argument. To say that they are referring to highest win-rate wukong users.

Anyways, my point is just don't be a piece of shit to them for disagreeing with you. "Do you know that red icon is duskblade" is like asking if someone knows 2+2=4. It's extremely dickish.

The Nocturne GodJul 27, 20184 votes

You are delusional. These are the best wukong players, not people that just olay him poorly... they play him at a level you can't even imagine yet. Win rates mean nothing, win rates are based off current season rank vs last season rank. If someone was challeneger last season and d1 this season their win rate will be under 50%.. they are still amazing. If someone was bronze last season and gold 5 this season they might have 70%, but they are still nowhere near the skill level of that 49% winrate d1.

The Nocturne GodJul 27, 20181 votes

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I actually just looked it up. The #1 Wukong build (roughly 80% win rate) is core build.

I guess I should have changed my post to say, highest win rate Wukong users. You're simply looking up highest ranked users that happen to play Wukong (poorly) from time to time. The high win rate, positive KDA Wukong users aren't dying more than 3 times per match, getting about 10 kills, and have a +65% win rate with the bruiser/diver build. The assassin build is good because it can instantly take out carries (Which is good for your team, but doesn't translate well in soloQ).

Anyways, you're right, the best team based Wukong players (win rate and KDA aside) are using DB.

Proof of these 65% winrate less than 3 deaths and more than 10 kill players you are claiming? You said you'd have a link real soon... posted a bunch more, edited this thread twice.... yet no proof.

Radiant WukongJul 27, 20181 votes

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Proof of these 65% winrate less than 3 deaths and more than 10 kill players you are claiming? You said you'd have a link real soon... posted a bunch more, edited this thread twice.... yet no proof.

I'm also currently playing a match. But rather you agree or disagree, I personally believe a D5 SoloQ player is better than any individual on a challenger team.

The Nocturne GodJul 27, 20181 votes

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I'm also currently playing a match. But rather you agree or disagree, I personally believe a D5 SoloQ player is better than any individual on a challenger team.

So a d5 with 30 games on wukong with a 70% win rate is better than a 400 game challenger wukong with a 60% win rate?

You never proved this person exists, but you put more value into than all the actual top 100 wukong players combined?

Radiant WukongJul 27, 20181 votes

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You are wrong.

http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=gorílla http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=twtvlolharambe http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=4pigswith1person http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=blitzle http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=ilovezacefron

5 for 5, best wukong players using duskblade. I don't know what 5 you are looking at, but these are the top 5 wukong masters. If you aren't using duskblade on wukong in bronze and you are more than happy to stay in bronze then I am glad that you found a build that is fun to play. On the other hand, all these top ranked wukong players all use the item because it is ridiculousky easy to abuse it early game and pretty much 3 shot people with little to no counterplay.

Those are all NA players, none of them are top 5 globally lol, check Japan and Korea, no DB. Those guys all have under 49% win rate with Wukong, some way worse. Best Wukong players globally all have over 65% win rate with him and over 100 games played, they all use the build I just put up there. I'll get you the links real quick, hold on.

The Nocturne GodJul 27, 20182 votes

http://jp.op.gg/summoner/userName=大田ｊａｐａｎ

Japan best wukong... included korea in other post.... do you even do your research or do you think when you pull it out of your ass everyone just will believe it and jump on your bandwagon?

Radiant WukongJul 27, 20181 votes

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http://jp.op.gg/summoner/userName=大田ｊａｐａｎ

Japan best wukong... included korea in other post.... do you even do your research or do you think when you pull it out of your ass everyone just will believe it and jump on your bandwagon?

The best Wukong players all have a +65% win rate with Wukong. These are just challenger players that happen to use Wukong very poorly. Bad KDA, bad win rate. Those are all Wukong players on a team, I'm trying to find the best Solo Queue Wukong players for you.

The Nocturne GodJul 27, 20181 votes

I keep giving links, you keep giving promises of links. The win rate is irrelevent, these are OLD accounts.... it is possible to have a 49% win rate in challenger because the previous season you were rank 50 and current season ranked 150. Because lower, low win rate, but still a challenger. A 48% win rate wukojg after hundreds of games is better than a plat or diamond wukong with a 55% win rate or a plat with a 70% win rate, or some diamond with like 20 games played and a good win rate.

The Nocturne GodJul 27, 20181 votes

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The best Wukong players all have a +65% win rate with Wukong. These are just challenger players that happen to use Wukong very poorly. Bad KDA, bad win rate. Those are all Wukong players on a team, I'm trying to find the best Solo Queue Wukong players for you.

He has a 58% win rate in challenger with wukong, you are just too lazy to look.

SugeMinPikkJul 27, 20183 votes

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Those guys all have under 49% win rate with Wukong, some way worse

But they all have 55% or higher... [sg-lux-2] [sg-lux-2] [sg-lux-2] Beginning to think this is a bait thread

The Nocturne GodJul 27, 20181 votes

Exactly, he doesn't provide links or actually look into mine. I GAVE GOOD EVIDENCE, but he claims it is bad from reasons not backed by facts.. Just like his whole post.

Taliyah RocksJul 27, 20183 votes

I remember when Wukong's main purpose was to mess up the enemy team with his ult knock-up and AoE damage. Now he's just a faceroll one-shot assassin.

I also remember when only a handful of characters could "potentially" one-shot people without needing to be extremely fed beforehand, good times.

The Nocturne GodJul 27, 20182 votes

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I remember when Wukong's main purpose was to mess up the enemy team with his ult knock-up and AoE damage. Now he's just a faceroll one-shot assassin.

I also remember when only a handful of characters could "potentially" one-shot people without needing to be extremely fed beforehand, good times.

Exactly. Certain champions synerghize too well with certain items. Makes more sense to nerf the problem champions than the item or they would need to buff all the champions that can use the item efficently, but not anywhere near the level of the abusers. Wukong, kha, and talon are all db abusers, not users.