If I ran the rules department

RookPusher··2 votes·1,080 views

I'd create and enforce this rule:

If a game is lost in under 30 minutes, anyone on the losing team playing a champion with which they have less than a Rank 4 mastery is required to play 5 Normal games before they can return to Ranked play.

Get these Zuan scientists out of my ranked games. It's not the place to experiment, it's 4 other people's hour. I'd love to know why Riot favors criminals and trolls.

Edit: A new rule added based on a suggestion. **People who are auto-filled will not be subject to this restriction. **

44 Comments

Best Kog NA22 votes

That's why you aren't part of the rules department.

RookPusher1 votes

I'm not in the rules department because I work in a different industry. But I project manage the hell out of things, and I assume you, the trolls would be rounded up and removed if I did work in the rules department.

_They'll bend the knee, or I'll destroy them. _

DrCyanide1 votes

If a game is lost in under 30 minutes... ...it's 4 other people's hour...

Yeah... no. I doubt you could manage the basics.

RookPusher1 votes

Based on what? This? Come on now, let's not assume things of people that are so negative. I think you'll come to find I'm more clever than I first appear.

DrCyanide1 votes

I'm just saying if you can't keep things consistent (30 minutes -> 1 hour) how are you going to make consistent rules that work for every case?

How do you programmatically determine who is a troll vs who's having a bad few games? The most simple cases (buying multiple items, intentional feeding, standing still at Baron dancing) are already detected and handled, so you've got to have something better than that. Your "they're not level 4 on a champion, they must be trolling, punish them" is also flawed, since tolls will get to level 5 and then troll or just troll normal games.

If you've got a better solution then voice it, since that's probably the fastest way to get it fixed.

RookPusher1 votes

I think you're reading into things that aren't in my post.

I cannot determine who is a troll, and we're never going to be able to. Even in a Minority Report situation, flaws happen.

So the question then becomes, how do we box problems up in such a capacity that we diminish the threat. There's no such thing is threat removal on a large scale. But just as the lock on your door doesn't prevent all crime, neither would this rule.

The entire point of this rule is this: **Give people an incentive to play for other people in ranked games. **

There's no restriction on what you do. And there's not even a requirement to do well. But there is an incentive, and I think a minor one, to try harder in ranked. And that's my goal. As with all policy, you need an exit strategy in case you extend too far.

Admittedly, the 30 mins is a measure I put there as a good start point. We've all been in games that were over at the 16 minute mark. There's no fixing that. But I felt like trying to fix that would go too far. You're also dealing with a snow-bally season with weak towers and overtuned junglers. That factors in to the 30 min. portion as well.

Having said all of that, we should be attempting to create rules that diminish the problem, rather than do nothing. And I've left wide latitude with these rules so we aren't throwing people out left and right.

Kr1sys4 votes

You're bronze 5, I have a feeling you wouldn't get much ranked in this season if that was the case.

RookPusher1 votes

Meaning the population would be too low?

Kr1sys1 votes

{quoted}

Meaning the population would be too low?

Meaning you're just as much the cause of the losses, and would have to play at least 20 more normal games going by your rules. Rank 4 mastery doesn't mean anything, it indicates solo performance(or just a lot of games played) of a champ, not an ability to play well with others. Higher mastery like 6 or 7 usually requires some level of teamwork depending on the champion.

If you think you're better than where you are ranked, play something that can carry instead of zilean support.

Also, your normal W/L ratio is just as bad facing low bronze players there as well. So I'm not sure if you're advocating for you not being able to play ranked this season, or just delusional that you're great at this game and deserve to be higher.

RookPusher1 votes

I'm not sure if I'm supposed to be scared that you looked at my profile or not, but the merit of an idea is mutually exclusive from the person saying the idea.

As I'd mentioned above if you'd bothered to read - this isn't about skill. That's not the point of the rule, and I don't personally care about that. The rule was designed to not punish people for a lack of skill which is a mark of good policy.

I've often thought about playing a hard carry champ, but truth be told I'm a support for the same reason I'm bringing this rule up. I care about other people. And by supporting, no one else has to play the role unless they want to. You're welcome by the way.

Rank is irrelevant to the large goal of helping people get the best out of themselves.

Kr1sys1 votes

{quoted}

I'm not sure if I'm supposed to be scared that you looked at my profile or not, but the merit of an idea is mutually exclusive from the person saying the idea.

As I'd mentioned above if you'd bothered to read - this isn't about skill. That's not the point of the rule, and I don't personally care about that. The rule was designed to not punish people for a lack of skill which is a mark of good policy.

I've often thought about playing a hard carry champ, but truth be told I'm a support for the same reason I'm bringing this rule up. I care about other people. And by supporting, no one else has to play the role unless they want to. You're welcome by the way.

Rank is irrelevant to the large goal of helping people get the best out of themselves.

Rank 4 mastery doesn't dictate skill. You can lose every game you played with said champion and earn Rank 4. You can gain mastery in ARAM, and you think that applies to ranked? You can't say it "isn't about skill" and then refer to how this rule would not punish people for lack of skill.

I'm a rank 3 Lee sin just looking at my profile, and I can say maybe 1 game was from SR, and it wasn't ranked. If I gain just another 4k points on lee sin, I'll be rank 4. Woo boy, can't wait to play him in ranked without hardly any SR experience just to avoid your rule.

And Rank is relevant, just because it undermines your point doesn't make it invalid. There are always games that you will lose, and always games you will win. Forcing those that lose often, like yourself, to play normals which has no guarantee on improving their ability to play and win games is an arbitrary rule designed out of being tilted, salty, and forcing others to have to improve themselves because you can't see that you also fit into said group.

RookPusher1 votes

Can someone explain to me why people keep bringing up skill? I've never once mentioned it as it relates to this rule.

I do not think this rule dictates skill. Nor should any rule. Just because you're better at the game than someone else is not grounds for punishment.

Kr1sys1 votes

Because skill comes into play in this game. We aren't playing roulette.

Beldair1 votes

Come on Black 22. Fingers crossed...

RookPusher1 votes

Skill comes into the game, of course. It isn't factored into this rule.

Kr1sys1 votes

{quoted}

Skill comes into the game, of course. It isn't factored into this rule.

Yet the outcome of the game factors into whether or not your rule comes into play.

Dynikus3 votes

you can certainly be proficient on a champion without having a level 4 mastery on them. You can also be complete garbage with a champion even if you have level 7 mastery on them.

Lauchmelder3 votes

If I don't enjoy playing a champion but it's my best chance at winning why should I get Mastery 4?

If that'd be the case I could start blaming every single carry I played and lost with for not doing their Job and destroy objectives as well?

Edge of Daybreak2 votes

This rule doesnt even check to see if I won those games. Also this just makes autofill worse since there is no way you have a mastery of 4 or higher in the roles you dont play. Also you think people rage now let's throw a 5 game lockout on the fire.

Beldair2 votes

Can we start that rule by enforcing it on you for the whole season?

RookPusher1 votes

Oh don't be so salty. There isn't a bigger try-hard in the game than me. I already operate with in the confines of the rule, so fine. I'm also the kind of guy who sends the elevator back to the lobby so people don't have to wait for it in the morning. I'm a pretty decent person. Your threats don't bother me.

Few men are willing to brave the disapproval of their fellows, the censure of their colleagues, the wrath of their society. Moral courage is a rarer commodity than bravery in battle or great intelligence. Yet it is the one essential, vital quality for those who seek to change a world which yields most painfully to change.

Beldair1 votes

Not salty.. I don't even play ranked.. Too salty.

But I shall say this then:

It is easy for anyone to get mastery on a champ. So saying something like: if you lose your lane before 30 minutes, you should have to play so many norms before you can play ranked again is ludicrous.

Most games dont even last 30 minutes.. They are usually over withing 20-25 minutes now a days.

And just because someone is not Mastery 5+ does not mean they aren't skilled with the champ.

I'm not mastery ranked 5 on Tahm but I can ruin an enemies day as him.

RookPusher1 votes

Right, but I'm not asking for skill. So I don't know why you're bringing that up. You can run down mid every game and get mastery 4. It's an experience question, not a skill question.

Beldair1 votes

As many have said on this forum: skill=experience

RookPusher1 votes

Then you should want this rule even more, No? Or do you not want skilled players in your games?

Beldair1 votes

Like I said, I don't play ranked.. Too toxic and with stuff going on at home, I'd rather not cost ppl LP.

But your downvotes keep increasing because ppl are finding your "rule" to be that proposed by a "Wooden" player.

RookPusher1 votes

This is the classic Bandwagon Fallacy. Just because everyone else thinks it's not true doesn't actually make it not true.

I actually think you're a decent person for not engaging in ranked based on externalities. I'm saying we should have a rule so that when people are less considerate, and when they blow an hour of peoples lives who came to win, there should be repercussions.

Unless of course you think Riot handles trolls well enough as it is.

Beldair1 votes

Bandwagon Fallacy? You really think I'm jumping on the Bandwagon?

I go my own way.. Hell, I play Nasus, Mordekaiser, Rumble, and Renekton support (I do good with them too). All 4 are off-meta picks most won't do in support. I even play Ryze support.

Most people (and probably the devs too) find your proposal to be a very dumb idea. No one would be in ranked because of it.

RookPusher1 votes

{quoted}

Bandwagon Fallacy? You really think I'm jumping on the Bandwagon?

Most people (and probably the devs too) find your proposal to be a very dumb idea. No one would be in ranked because of it.

Case in point, your honor.

RookPusher1 votes

Everyone here lacks vision.

If you're proficient on a champion, then presumably you're not giving up your lane in under 30 minutes. All I see in this thread are a bunch of "Don't tell me what to do" children. I'm creating a rule that says "If you're coming to ranked, show up for the other 4 people, and not yourself."

The argument about Mastery 7 players being garbage is valid insofar as it doesn't deal with the problem. If you've gained Mastery 7, then you've played the champion before, and we're not punishing your for your skill. The goal of this rule is to tell people that if you're going to roll the dice, you'd best win. When you come to ranked, play to win. Normals is for fun.

And to reiterate since people are acting like I'm committing war crimes here:

  1. Ranked
  2. Loss
  3. Below 30 mins
  4. Champ below mastery 4
  5. No ban on playing the game

And since someone mentioned Autofill, which I think is a valid point, then the rule would eliminate this restriction on any role assigned via Autofill. That seems logical.

Elohaven1 votes

Solo/Duo is for climbing by yourself...

...It literally says Solo/Duo.

Oh, and your counterargument is trivial. It doesn't reinforce why we should support your original argument and is just you dismissing topics in a manner that deludes you from seeing that you gave no real reason to dismiss others' arguments. You don't know how game management and creation works.

(I've programmed, designed, and managed one from scratch. It's more than just "Masteries" that comes into account).

Masteries don't mean skill. They mean how many S-ranked matches one had to help measure skill. But one could easily be boosted to ML7 or just play less-skilled players. The ML7 argument does invalidate yours as your comment is that PEOPLE SHOULD HAVE MASTERIES AS THEY SHOW SKILL LEVEL. But we just demolish that argument in one sentence: Masteries are not equal to skill level.

To me, you sound like the "Don't tell me what to do" child.

RookPusher1 votes

Right, so as I've said twice before in this very thread: This rule isn't about skill.

k wìx1 votes

{quoted}

I'd create and enforce this rule:

If a game is lost in under 30 minutes, anyone on the losing team playing a champion with which they have less than a Rank 4 mastery is required to play 5 Normal games before they can return to Ranked play.

This is a horrible idea for a number of reasons.

1.) The 30 minutes criteria is arbitrary and meaningless. Why 30 minutes? because its obvious someone fed and thus, needs to be locked out of ranked? bullshit. This is a pointless rule.

2.) Disallowing a player to play ranked for losing a game UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE is not a good idea for the health of league in general, and the integrity of competitive league.

3.) You instantly cut 70% of all my champions out of my potential ranked pick slot, and furthermore, if I DO pick one, I am going to be playing him VERY DIFFERENTLY because oh no, I don't want to get locked out for 5 games. Give me a break - this idea is garbage.

RookPusher1 votes

You're imagining a perfectly bad scenario to win the argument. That might fly in your tuesday night supper club, but when you need to enact policy, you need to set some hard deadlines. These are more than fair.

k wìx1 votes

No one will agree with you, sorry. It's obvious at this point. /thread

RookPusher1 votes

Good argument.

Just because people want to be able to do whatever they want - including waste the time of 4 other people - doesn't mean I'm wrong or they're right. Some things are worth fighting for, Mr. Wix. I hope someday you'll come to realize that.

vOmvbrawfU1 votes

2.) Disallowing a player to play ranked for losing a game UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE is not a good idea for the health of league in general, and the integrity of competitive league.

I think it's a perfectly good idea to disallow a player to play ranked if they went 0-52-1 in their previous game. Not sure why you think people going 0-50 is good for integrity and competitiveness.

k wìx1 votes

{quoted}

I think it's a perfectly good idea to disallow a player to play ranked if they went 0-52-1 in their previous game. Not sure why you think people going 0-50 is good for integrity and competitiveness.

Doesn't happen :(

vOmvbrawfU1 votes

Does happen.

Kr1sys1 votes

{quoted}

Does happen.

Not often enough to dictate a rule change to something as dumb as this.

vOmvbrawfU1 votes

Oh, I completely agree OP's rule is dumb as fuck. But so is this guy's comment that nobody should be banned from playing ranked for any reason.

Kr1sys1 votes

{quoted}

Oh, I completely agree OP's rule is dumb as fuck. But so is this guy's comment that nobody should be banned from playing ranked for any reason.

he also said it doesn't happen, while it does on a rare occasion, that clearly wasn't implied as part of his 'any reason' aspect. Int feeders shouldn't have a place in the game, let alone ranked.

vOmvbrawfU1 votes

I agree that they shouldn't. But a lot of people don't agree with that. Hence why they're still in there. If the community was half as demanding about trolls as they were "toxic" chat, something would get done about it.

Colgate Gator1 votes

Well then I guess it's a good thing you're just a pleb like all of us.

More from Gameplay

More by RookPusher