"OMG, Veigar is so OP"

DropFill·Oct 4, 2015·25 votes·1,511 views

But instead of being smart and picking a long ranged mage OR a AD MID, you instead pick viktor mid... and expect to outburst veigar? Go to hell. Veigar is fine, you guys can't fucking counterpick

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PennsOct 4, 201511 votes

Veigar main triggered because his champ is too broken lel.

NemeBroOct 4, 201511 votes

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But instead of being smart and picking a long ranged mage OR a AD MID, you instead pick viktor mid... and expect to outburst veigar? Go to hell. Veigar is fine, you guys can't fucking counterpick

But what if you're going mid and they haven't picked yet?

Do you anticipate Veigar and pick a long ranged mage? Fuck you kid, now you get to have fun laning against Talon.

Pick an AD assassin? Here, have Cho'gath or Malzahar.

Counterpicking is not counter play. And Veigar's list of actual counters is pretty small.

DropFillOct 4, 20151 votes

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But what if you're going mid and they haven't picked yet?

Do you anticipate Veigar and pick a long ranged mage? Fuck you kid, now you get to have fun laning against Talon.

Pick an AD assassin? Here, have Cho'gath or Malzahar.

Counterpicking is not counter play. And Veigar's list of actual counters is pretty small.

If they pick veigar into you? You got countered. Camp him since he is immobile?

NemeBroOct 4, 20154 votes

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If they pick veigar into you? You got countered. Camp him since he is immobile?

Man, it's not like he has a giant CC zone of fuck you that immediately saves him from the gank.

Also, Veigar counters basically any AP champion that can't crush him early (not many can do this) and plenty of AD champions. Zed and Yasuo lose to Veigar more often than not.

Veigar is one of the single safest mid laners in the game, and his ult's mechanic actively punishes most mid laners for doing well against him.

What a healthy champion he is.

DrNovaOct 6, 20151 votes

You are so wrong...

AHeroNamedHawkeOct 4, 20155 votes

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If they pick veigar into you? You got countered. Camp him since he is immobile?

Then he farms at 950 range and holds his stun for disengage?

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IF ONLY THERE WAS AN ITEM THAT WAS REALLY CHEAP AND SHUT VEIGAR DOWN AS SOON AS YOU BOUGHT IT, AND WASN'T EVEN AN ACTIVE EFFECT! OH WAIT,

Sweet, I got stunned for 1 second instead of 1.5, shame that only gives me .25 seconds to avoid his W

Steel BlossomOct 5, 20151 votes

Why is Talon a trouble for anyone? He's so weak....

DrNovaOct 6, 20151 votes

You mean you don't know squat about talon.

lB2kGRlc8yOct 6, 20151 votes

Are you serious? His Meteor takes forever to land, and his stun is a paper thin line that gives forewarning and waits a half second to appear. If you're dying to a QR combo then it means you fucked up and built glass cannon AP.

LampsundaeOct 4, 20154 votes

IF ONLY THERE WAS AN ITEM THAT WAS REALLY CHEAP AND SHUT VEIGAR DOWN AS SOON AS YOU BOUGHT IT, AND WASN'T EVEN AN ACTIVE EFFECT! OH WAIT, item 3111

LuggOct 4, 20153 votes

I laugh at that as well. If the other team picks Talon Veigar will do nothing the entire game. It's basically a 5v4 at that point.

TrídentOct 4, 20153 votes

Personally, I think Veigar is in a good spot, but I don't fully agree with the OP.

Very Hard EngageOct 5, 20153 votes

item 3102 item 3001 item 3026 item 3151 item 3111 item 3116 item 3027 item 3139 item 3156

are taboo for most mid laners, and people think that if they rush any of these when their champ

"isn't suposed to build that first item" or "any of those should be my final item and thats the trade off between the match specific slot" "i had to rush my morello/ludens first because thats what gives me my damage"

well guess what, it turns out you dont need a lot of damage to kill a veigar.

SH AzykanOct 6, 20153 votes

item 3174 or grab this instead of the morellos...hell it even has better mana regen so you can cast your stuff more freely to deal with him

colesyOct 4, 20152 votes

instead of being smart and picking a long ranged mage who veigar can nuke because his ult scales on both his and their AP

wat

DropFillOct 4, 20152 votes

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instead of being smart and picking a long ranged mage who veigar can nuke because his ult scales on both his and their AP

wat

Because veigar has a gap close right? RIGHT? They can poke the hell out of him while he is unable to do nothing.

Goodest GamerOct 4, 20152 votes

yea he cant summon a cc train as big as 75 percent of a lane. but "dodge it" too bad late game its up every 8 seconds so u can tell its SUPER easy to stop veigar from pressing r.

RatbertOct 4, 20152 votes

Ya if only there was something for everyone that item 3222 could item 3102 negate item 3140 this summoner 1 . Or you know, path well and not in the small range of veigar.

Sir YamazukiOct 4, 20152 votes

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Ya if only there was something for everyone that could negate this . Or you know, path well and not in the small range of veigar.

So, don't show up to team fights or attempt hitting his team at all? Okay.

Also, those items only stop his stun, he can just press R and kill any non-tank whether they have AP or not after 25+ minutes even if they have 1 MR item.

RatbertOct 4, 20151 votes

Except he can't, because buying those and having a support with locket means you get ~65 mr and a 400 hp shield. Didn't realize you could only hit his team with >1000 range spells. Just pick morg or an assassin if veigar really bothers you that much.

Sir YamazukiOct 4, 20152 votes

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Except he can't, because buying those and having a support with locket means you get ~65 mr and a 400 hp shield. Didn't realize you could only hit his team with >1000 range spells. Just pick morg or an assassin if veigar really bothers you that much.

Then he presses R when the assassin attempts to do their job. Oh wait, you don't play him so you don't know.

RatbertOct 4, 20152 votes

Except he always could potentially do that and more, because his ratio was higher back then and dfg existed. Yet he still never could one shot an assassin because he was zoned by threat of death the second the assassin hit 6. Of course, maybe you let veigar farm until he can 1 shot anyone, but most people don't. But he was STILL trash tier and you still have all those other options.

Sir YamazukiOct 4, 20152 votes

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Except he always could potentially do that and more, because his ratio was higher back then and dfg existed. Yet he still never could one shot an assassin because he was zoned by threat of death the second the assassin hit 6. Of course, maybe you let veigar farm until he can 1 shot anyone, but most people don't. But he was STILL trash tier and you still have all those other options.

He can farm from range, even the pros do fine farming as Veigar vs multiple assassins. He's never been trash, you circle jerkers are just bad Veigars.

RatbertOct 4, 20151 votes

Then push and ward, so the turret outfarms veigar. 950 isn't a bad range, but it's in the middle, so you can still zone him with some assassins like zed, fizz, ahri and lb.

Sir YamazukiOct 4, 20151 votes

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Then push and ward, so the turret outfarms veigar. 950 isn't a bad range, but it's in the middle, so you can still zone him with some assassins like zed, fizz, ahri and lb.

No, you can't. If a pro fizz can't, a bad soloq fizz isn't going to. Assassins don't win against a lot of mages, the game isn't just lane phase.

RatbertOct 4, 20151 votes

Except having a good lane phases versus barely surviving impacts the entire game. That's why a lot of early game champs who can maintain leads are super popular and strong. Oh and how is hitting 6 with fizz and sitting on your ult not being able to zone veigar? If you have sheen or ~60 bonus ap, veigar will die to your full combo. Not to mention he can trollpole veigar's r.

Goodest GamerOct 4, 20151 votes

path well :). classic. i shold not be out of my base because veigar has flash and e up. no doubt the smartest plat player ive seen on theseboards. thanks for playing buddy.

RatbertOct 4, 20151 votes

Ah yes, when veigar had his instant stun but was considered trash tier :). But he doesn't, so you can literally walk out of it.

No doubt it's too much for you, but I can actually accomplish these things.

DrCyanideOct 4, 20152 votes

You mean like this match? http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1968375872/42592968?tab=overview

Veigar killed Xerath 3 times (of the 7 deaths total) Xerath killed Veigar 11 times (of the 18 deaths total)

Surprise surprise, Xerath can burst down Veigar before Veigar can get in range to do anything. No matter what skill level, that still holds true: http://champion.gg/matchup/Veigar/Xerath/Middle

Chuck CharlesOct 4, 20152 votes

say all you want about veigar not being broken, but froggen himself has said veigar is essentially broken right now. many pros are saying he is disgustingly over powered. It just has gone unnoticed because he still has weaknesses that might make him a risky pick for pro play.

the two 100% ap scaling abilities, one being aoe and on a short cooldown is pretty insane. The Q has a very short cooldown at max cdr and still has decent ap ratios to go with his butt tons of ap. he simply does too much damage. more of his power needs to be shifted back to his ultimate so he can single target blow up, but not eliminate and delete the entire team.

JSTIN8Oct 5, 20151 votes

Oh look at that, riot finally threw enough numbers on a kit to make their POS ~~nerf~~ ~~rework~~ compensation finally work. Don't act like Veigar has not always been insane with the base damages, and if we are being honest with ourselves here, the only thing that the new q has that is better than old q is the ability to hit 2 creeps with it, and they increased the base cd to make that work! One of those dreaded 100% ap ratios used to be 120%, and the other could be hit if he landed his stun that didnt have a delay unless you count the cast time. Yet despite the fact that he was numerically better previously, he still was not OP. Only now, after allowing him to gain ap on assists has he begun to be cried about. Well cry harder. I would rather fight 5 veigars at once with Karthus rather than play a single game against Vayne .

LithiumWednesdayOct 5, 20151 votes

Anyone who can walk out of Veigar's cage should win lane. Unless he gets continuous ganks to force people to walk into it, he's stuck farming until he can help in a fight.

(Also Viktor isn't even short ranged. Not to mention he has better, more reliable burst)