If cinderhulk meta was the healthiest meta

Best princess EU·Dec 12, 2015·6 votes·1,038 views

why riot nerfed cinderhulk?

34 Comments

KONO RUBICK DADec 12, 201513 votes

L$C bigplay$

Romans VI XXIIIDec 12, 20153 votes

This and only this, they couldn't have tanks being better pics for the jungle than lee

YCitizenSnipsYDec 12, 20153 votes

Its funny to see circle jerk comments being upvoted like this. Make you wonder how people still can't figure out why Riot doesn't actually use these boards to discuss balance.

Also how would balancing around "L$C bigplay$" even effect Solo Q when 99% percent of them can't even use the champion that well. Like when Azir was the the strongest pick in the LCS he had like a 43% in plat +

AhristocatsDec 12, 20153 votes

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Its funny to see circle jerk comments being upvoted like this. Make you wonder how people still can't figure out why Riot doesn't actually use these boards to discuss balance.

Also how would balancing around "L$C bigplay$" even effect Solo Q when 99% percent of them can't even use the champion that well. Like when Azir was the the strongest pick in the LCS he had like a 43% in plat +

ghostcrawler stated that tanks tend to be binary and boring, sorry this makes a viable reason to trust that riot doesn't want to listen the community which said multiple time that they enjoyed the cinderhulk meta, heck i spoke to 2 adc players they told me that the only problem was champions like sejuani themselves and not the item, myself i enjoyed playing it because as AP ezreal i had amumu ultying the enemy team and i could unleash everything on 5 men.

there was no reasons to hit champions like volibear instead of balancing the unbalanced champ like sejuani and sion

YCitizenSnipsYDec 12, 20152 votes

"...the community which said multiple time that they enjoyed the cinderhulk meta..." You mean the handful of circle jerkers on these boards which are even more unpopular than the old forums?

"myself i enjoyed playing it because as AP ezreal i had amumu ultying the enemy team and i could unleash everything on 5 men." I don't even get this because this has nothing to do with cinderhulk or the tank meta. Amumu has been a solo que god for years, even during adc and assassin metas that were supposedly bad for tanks.

And I still don't understand what this has to do with people up voting a cop-out reason that tinfoil hat conspiritards on these boards use like "lcsbigplays." OF how "lcsbigplays" actually hurts solo que since damn near nobody can play these champions good.

KONO RUBICK DADec 12, 20151 votes

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"...the community which said multiple time that they enjoyed the cinderhulk meta..." You mean the handful of circle jerkers on these boards which are even more unpopular than the old forums?

"myself i enjoyed playing it because as AP ezreal i had amumu ultying the enemy team and i could unleash everything on 5 men." I don't even get this because this has nothing to do with cinderhulk or the tank meta. Amumu has been a solo que god for years, even during adc and assassin metas that were supposedly bad for tanks.

And I still don't understand what this has to do with people up voting a cop-out reason that tinfoil hat conspiritards on these boards use like "lcsbigplays." OF how "lcsbigplays" actually hurts solo que since damn near nobody can play these champions good.

got explain why i never see an amumu now

YCitizenSnipsYDec 12, 20151 votes

http://champion.gg/champion/Amumu http://www.lolking.net/champions/amumu?region=all&map=sr&queue=1x1#statistics

Hardly what I would call unpopular when there are champions out there with less than 1% pick rates. But let me guess because he isn't meta in the LCS and doesn't have one of the largest pick rates in the game he is weak and unviable right?

KONO RUBICK DADec 12, 20152 votes

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http://champion.gg/champion/Amumu http://www.lolking.net/champions/amumu?region=all&map=sr&queue=1x1#statistics

Hardly what I would call unpopular when there are champions out there with less than 1% pick rates. But let me guess because he isn't meta in the LCS and doesn't have one of the largest pick rates in the game he is weak and unviable right?

amumu was never picked in the lcs, he just get outjungled by elise thought i didn't try him in the new jungle with the -20 mr on jungle monsters

YCitizenSnipsYDec 12, 20151 votes

He's been one of the most successful solo que champions for years. That's literally his claim to fame, is how reliable he is in unorganized play. That's why when C9 Hai played him in the gauntlet they called it going full solo que. Cinderhulk has nothing to do with his success and he is still successful in solo que during metas that are supposed to be bad for tanks.

KONO RUBICK DADec 13, 20151 votes

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He's been one of the most successful solo que champions for years. That's literally his claim to fame, is how reliable he is in unorganized play. That's why when C9 Hai played him in the gauntlet they called it going full solo que. Cinderhulk has nothing to do with his success and he is still successful in solo que during metas that are supposed to be bad for tanks.

you said "he isn't in lcs so poeple aren't playing him" sorry but he was never picked in the lcs, by this logic he should have been trash before.

BluePolarizerDec 13, 20151 votes

you are low elo yourself. the fuck you talking about lol? they also gutted Azir when he was sub 50% win rate multiple times.

TehNACHODec 12, 20155 votes

Well originally it was because they were doing way too much damage as full tanks, due the original Cinderhulk burn.

KONO RUBICK DADec 12, 20154 votes

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Well originally it was because they were doing way too much damage as full tanks, due the original Cinderhulk burn.

yes, but after the burn nerf, it was fine

Best princess EUDec 12, 20152 votes

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yes, but after the burn nerf, it was fine

actually, they nerfed it even after the burn nerf

OperationDEEZ1Dec 12, 20152 votes

It was mostly red smite doing the damage.

Vistha KaiDec 12, 20155 votes

Because it was too healthy and balanced.

Too balanced = No LC$ BIG PLAY$

SithesisLordDec 12, 20154 votes

Sejuani couldn´t, can´t and never will be able to pull FL4$HYLC$B1GPL4Y$ like Lee Sin does.

And those FL4$HYLC$B1GPL4Y$ are what gives Riot get more money.

ChangstyDec 12, 20153 votes

When laners bring smite just to build a jungle item, it's probably a sign that said item is overtuned.

D357R0Y3RDec 12, 20154 votes

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When laners bring smite just to build a jungle item, it's probably a sign that said item is overtuned.

cinderhulk wasn't the problem, challenging smite was the problem. Also, laning cinderhulk wasn't a problem anymore with the nerf of the sunfire passive. But they kept nerfing it, remember during the adc patch?

JJI744Dec 12, 20153 votes

Um... possibly because Cinderhulk was, by far, the worst Meta we have had since Black Cleaver stacked. The time when

A) top lane was literally "who can cheese better?" B) Safest build path had the best rewards.

Hell, you can see it right now, Mundo is approaching pick/ban status because he puts out a lot of damage while being very hard to kill. Well during Cinderhulk times, that was EVERY tank.

Best princess EUDec 12, 20155 votes

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Um... possibly because Cinderhulk was, by far, the worst Meta we have had since Black Cleaver stacked. The time when

A) top lane was literally "who can cheese better?" B) Safest build path had the best rewards.

Hell, you can see it right now, Mundo is approaching pick/ban status because he puts out a lot of damage while being very hard to kill. Well during Cinderhulk times, that was EVERY tank.

last time i checked, cinderhulk wasn't converting hp into damage

Got New GlassesDec 12, 20151 votes

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Um... possibly because Cinderhulk was, by far, the worst Meta we have had since Black Cleaver stacked. The time when

A) top lane was literally "who can cheese better?" B) Safest build path had the best rewards.

Hell, you can see it right now, Mundo is approaching pick/ban status because he puts out a lot of damage while being very hard to kill. Well during Cinderhulk times, that was EVERY tank.

do you know that mundo can get 5k hp, and his E gives him 300 damage ever 4 sec? and his Q dealing 25% of your hp every 2 sec? none of cinderhulk champs could do this Rammus Nunu Chogath except volibear but his W has 20 sec cd

JJI744Dec 12, 20151 votes

Did you know that Cinderhulk gave every tank the ability to kill a target by standing in their general vicinity? Tanks that had HP>damage built-in were stupid beyond belief (Sej and Sion), but every tank was a walking brick wall that would frequently kill you with passive damage.

At the time, there were people here on the boards boasting about how they killed the enemy ADC without ever hitting them, just thornmail and Cinderhulk damage.

Cinderhulk Meta was only considered healthy by the players who wouldn't/couldn't be bothered to put any effort into their play and wanted to win by virtue of being existing as a tank.

KONO RUBICK DADec 12, 20152 votes

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Did you know that Cinderhulk gave every tank the ability to kill a target by standing in their general vicinity? Tanks that had HP>damage built-in were stupid beyond belief (Sej and Sion), but every tank was a walking brick wall that would frequently kill you with passive damage.

At the time, there were people here on the boards boasting about how they killed the enemy ADC without ever hitting them, just thornmail and Cinderhulk damage.

Cinderhulk Meta was only considered healthy by the players who wouldn't/couldn't be bothered to put any effort into their play and wanted to win by virtue of being existing as a tank.

no i didn't, cinderhulk after the nerf had 20 magic damage/sec with the base mr it had 14 damage/sec sorry but it isn't this damage that you need to kill a carry, it's much different from mundo right now

WalkingInACircleDec 12, 20152 votes

I think it was a little after that that would be called the healthiest. After they created runeglaive and settled it in, but before they came out with Sated Devourer. Sated was not good for the game, and then the juggernaut patch.

KONO RUBICK DADec 12, 20151 votes

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I think it was a little after that that would be called the healthiest. After they created runeglaive and settled it in, but before they came out with Sated Devourer. Sated was not good for the game, and then the juggernaut patch.

don't forget that they nerfed the %bonus hp when it was balanced

junglerboy16Dec 12, 20152 votes

Because as they said themselves, they didn't want the game to be stale during worlds.

LadyRenlyDec 13, 20152 votes

having only 1 person, maybe 2 being the only ones "killable" but barely because everyone else was durable and had peel, wasn't that fun

Ironclad DragonDec 12, 20151 votes

Because things change. Good or ill, Riot occasionally makes changes.

Sir YamazukiDec 12, 20151 votes

To keep the game feeling new...? Why else do you think they make drastic changes even in the middle of the season. You think they realistically want something balanced? If they did, they wouldn't intentionally break their game a couple times a year. Take masteries for example, Riot said they wouldn't keep redoing them anymore because they acknowledged their player base hated having to redo and adapt to them several times but for some reason they just decided to go against that in the name of "diversity".

KONO RUBICK DADec 12, 20152 votes

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To keep the game feeling new...? Why else do you think they make drastic changes even in the middle of the season. You think they realistically want something balanced? If they did, they wouldn't intentionally break their game a couple times a year. Take masteries for example, Riot said they wouldn't keep redoing them anymore because they acknowledged their player base hated having to redo and adapt to them several times but for some reason they just decided to go against that in the name of "diversity".

if you want to keep the game feeling new, you shouldn't nerf a classe when everything is balanced (nearly) but rework old champions that feel clunky and unfun to play (poppy urgot yorick taric)

Angry MonsterDec 12, 20151 votes

my 2 cents is that true tanks had a real viable path to victory. that is obviously game game breaking and had to be fixed.

warpenguin555Dec 12, 20151 votes

healthiest =/= perfect. There is no perfect meta, and if riot doesn't change it up, the game gets stale. it was the best meta because unlike the current meta(which is slowly getting better, but a shit ton on emphasis on slowly), and the meta before it, the problem champions still had counterplay (people were too stupid to use it.) At the beginning of S5 if their Zed or Fizz got 1 kill in lane it was over, and in the current meta most games are decided by who won bot lane.

KONO RUBICK DADec 13, 20151 votes

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healthiest =/= perfect. There is no perfect meta, and if riot doesn't change it up, the game gets stale. it was the best meta because unlike the current meta(which is slowly getting better, but a shit ton on emphasis on slowly), and the meta before it, the problem champions still had counterplay (people were too stupid to use it.) At the beginning of S5 if their Zed or Fizz got 1 kill in lane it was over, and in the current meta most games are decided by who won bot lane.

assassins were balanced, tanks were balanced, carries were balanced, there were issues it wasn't perfect, but it was the most perfect meta. you couldn't have done better.