Even if she doesn't repel cc with it, she still slows your attack speed when she hits you. Why is this a thing? As if trying to fight through her kassadin ult on a basic ability, low mana costs and max HP true damage Janna ult wasn't bad enough, she has an anti-carry mechanic in her kit as well?
This needs to be removed, there's absolutely no reason for this to be a thing
Marshbouy25 votes"kassadin ult on a basic ability" you are a joke.
HateDaddy11 votes"kassadin ult on a basic ability" you are a joke.
You're right, after 4 uses, lunge doesn't cost 800 mana. It's better.
Marshbouy10 votesit also doesnt deal "BASE MAGIC DAMAGE: 80 / 100 / 120 (+ 20% AP) (+ 2% maximum mana) 「 BONUS DAMAGE PER STACK: 40 / 50 / 60 (+ 10% AP) (+ 1% maximum mana)" damage and have 500 range.
HateDaddy10 votesit also doesnt deal "BASE MAGIC DAMAGE: 80 / 100 / 120 (+ 20% AP) (+ 2% maximum mana) 「 BONUS DAMAGE PER STACK: 40 / 50 / 60 (+ 10% AP) (+ 1% maximum mana)" damage and have 500 range.
Yeah, it only cost 40 mana at max rank with 115% bonus AD scaling (which I admit isn't a ton all things considered but she doesn't need it). It will also prioritize vitals. And it has 400 range. So all things considered, with 40% CDR and landing a lunge on an opponent, it's cooldown is 2 seconds. It's literally just as good as kassadins ult in almost every way except the stacking damage but in exchange it doesn't have a huge stacking mana cost.
Let's keep in mind with all this, we are comparing a basic ability to an ultimate.
Marshbouy9 votesLets keep in mind here that this is a single target attack, it is literally just an aimed auto attack with some buffs attatched. Lets also keep in mind here her ult is literally just multiplying her passive and her E is nothing but an auto attack buff. I think her Q can be a little overloaded.
HateDaddy6 votesLets keep in mind here that this is a single target attack, it is literally just an aimed auto attack with some buffs attatched. Lets also keep in mind here her ult is literally just multiplying her passive and her E is nothing but an auto attack buff. I think her Q can be a little overloaded.
I don't give a crap that it's overloaded, my issue isn't with her Q. It's with her W having an auto attack speed slow.
Marshbouy6 votesbecause she is a duelist and it fits well in her kit, her identity, and her strengths/weaknesses. dont get hit by her W?
HateDaddy7 votesbecause she is a duelist and it fits well in her kit, her identity, and her strengths/weaknesses. dont get hit by her W?
Ok don't complain about zed when he ults you and kills you. Don't complain about zed when he throws shurikens at you from a mile away. He's a ninja, it fits well in his kit, his identity and strengths and weaknesses.
Marshbouy6 votespeople complain about it dealing too much damage, not that it doesn't fit with his kit. Its literally for a whopping 1.5 seconds. She is a duelist, do you not want her to be able to duel people...?
HateDaddy4 votespeople complain about it dealing too much damage, not that it doesn't fit with his kit. Its literally for a whopping 1.5 seconds. She is a duelist, do you not want her to be able to duel people...?
Because that's often the difference of 1-2 auto attacks and that can easily be a difference in living or dying. And the difference between living and dying to Fiora is the difference between whether she's repeatedly chasing you across the map and killing you over and over or not doing that. It's already a powerful spell, it has the ability to block fucking ultimates. Your reasons are pure bias and invalid.
Marshbouy5 votesyes yes i am the biased one. definitely. 100% why should pantheons passive exist? its the difference between an auto attack and that could mean death why should jax's E exist? It is the difference between a multitude of auto attacks.
HateDaddy5 votesyes yes i am the biased one. definitely. 100% why should pantheons passive exist? its the difference between an auto attack and that could mean death why should jax's E exist? It is the difference between a multitude of auto attack
Because the spells design is to block damage/repel CC which makes it an incredibly powerful attack, why does it need extra power? And I do actually have an issue with Jaxs E somewhat, I hate that it reduces AOE damage by 30% but at least he has to make a meaningful choice of continuing to keep his dodging to block auto attacks or to pop it to stun his target to keep them in place. The attack speed slow doesn't have much of a choice, it's just there whereas the spell itself is based on timing.
Marshbouy5 votesits not "extra power". its there so it has some value against champions like tryndamere or olaf. 90% of the time jax will want to save it to deal extra damage. Dont like the AS slow? Dont stand in the skillshot.
BakedLotion2 votespeople complain about it dealing too much damage, not that it doesn't fit with his kit. Its literally for a whopping 1.5 seconds. She is a duelist, do you not want her to be able to duel people...?
Unsuccessfully parrying a spell should not lead to you getting damaged and slowed.
Marshbouy3 votesif she still hit you with the spell then isn't it at least halfway successful?
BakedLotion2 votesif she still hit you with the spell then isn't it at least halfway successful?
then why name is riposte. might as well name it stab. It's supposed to follow a parry. If she doesn't parry, then she doesn't stab. simple.
Marshbouy1 votesbut you are still blocking auto attacks. Even if you aren't blocking auto attacks, its really easy to dodge. stop flipping out so much, its just a game
BakedLotion2 votesbut you are still blocking auto attacks. Even if you aren't blocking auto attacks, its really easy to dodge. stop flipping out so much, its just a game
I said if she parried nothing. Meaning she didnt block anything. So you might wanna read. Also I agree its just a game. Just let every champion one shot each other cus just a game. You're one of those people who just say lel u mad whenever they disagree with you. Behaving like a 10 year old lmao
MLDzXnRRR1 votesbecause she is a duelist and it fits well in her kit, her identity, and her strengths/weaknesses. dont get hit by her W?
Her W makes no sense, unlike her old W pre-rework. Even the animation is retarded.
Marshbouy3 votesher W makes a lot of sense She is a duelist, a fencer. In fencing there is a move called a riposte. You block the enemy attacks and retaliate off them.
MLDzXnRRR2 votesher W makes a lot of sense She is a duelist, a fencer. In fencing there is a move called a riposte. You block the enemy attacks and retaliate off them.
So the fencers can block magical abilities and all kind of projectiles?
Marshbouy2 votesall your logic just flew out the window. we have a dragon that creates stars. we have a fish that summons a massive shark. we a lady who summons tentacles from a fucking GOD. AND YOU HAVE ISSUE WITH A FENCER BEING ABLE TO BLOCK MAGIC?
MLDzXnRRR2 votesall your logic just flew out the window. we have a dragon that creates stars. we have a fish that summons a massive shark. we a lady who summons tentacles from a fucking GOD. AND YOU HAVE ISSUE WITH A FENCER BEING ABLE TO BLOCK MAGIC?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspension_of_disbelief
There is nothing in FIora's lore or appearance that suggests that she can block magical abilities.
Boulderox3 votes"kassadin ult on a basic ability" you are a joke.
to be fair, the whole "half CD on hitting target" is a pain... and honestly don't know why it is there.
Marshbouy9 voteslargely because the base cooldown is 16-8 seconds. It rewards you for actually hitting it. would you rather have it be a static 7 second cooldown and have the window for punishing her for missing it be smaller?
HateDaddy5 voteslargely because the base cooldown is 16-8 seconds. It rewards you for actually hitting it. would you rather have it be a static 7 second cooldown and have the window for punishing her for missing it be smaller?
it also rewards you for blocking whatever the hell you want and potentially stunning your opponent for timing it properly, making it one of the best defensive non ult spells in the game. It doesn't need that added power.
Marshbouy12 votes??????????? we are talking about her Q.
Chaotic Reks4 votesonly she doesn't miss it, because, unless you're not fighting in your minion wave, she's gonna land it with its big ass AoE area targeting zone
Marshbouy5 votesso you would rather have it be a static, low cooldown so she can chase you down a lane easier? you said it not me.
Chaotic Reks2 voteswhere the hell did i say i wanted it to be on a static cooldown?
Marshbouy4 votesyou presumably don't want the CD being halved by hitting someone with the Q so obviously you want it to be 16/14/12/10/8 but the CD is too long by itself. That would be too long and essentially gut her Q so it would have to be a lower cooldown than it already is. something like 13/10/7/4. She could chase you down hard with out even having to hit someone.
I am but only extrapolating your logic.
Chaotic Reks5 voteshow many calories do you burn by jumping to conclusions like that?
Marshbouy5 votesabout as many as the brain cells you have. so 0
Chaotic Reks4 votesNot to mention that her Q also applies on-hits, has a big targeting AoE, gets a REALLY high AD ratio, procs her passive (meaning it heals her AND grants movement speed) so 8 seconds seems pretty damn reasonable. care to "extrapolate my logic" by jumping to absurd conclusions some more?
Marshbouy6 votesits literally just an extended auto attack that has a dash attatched. You are acting like it is some incredibly insane ability. It's scaling is (+ 55 / 70 / 85 / 100 / 115% Bonus AD) so it doesn't have "really high AD scalings" like you claim. It's literally <=100 until rank 5. considering her Ult is just a buff on her passive and her E is a basic attack buff, i think she can afford to have an "overloaded" Q. not to mention 8 seconds is the cooldown if she hits the ability.
Boulderox3 voteslargely because the base cooldown is 16-8 seconds. It rewards you for actually hitting it. would you rather have it be a static 7 second cooldown and have the window for punishing her for missing it be smaller?
would help if it specified a champion only...
"Stabbing an enemy reduces Lunge's cooldown by 60%." ie you can lunge a minion and still get the reset... too much reward honestly.
every other ability that involves an enemy specifies an "enemy champion" except her LUNGE.
static 8-9, as half or above is fair... would be fine i believe, strong initiation with itand then crap for sticking power, ie 
syndrome her, make her build utility items like 
to stick to people
Edit:because she maxes q anyways.. a 60% cd lunge spam = 3.25 cd q is not balanced...
SpookyNeedle20 votesIn actual fencing, when you parry or beat attack, it's a little more difficult to recover. Also Fiora doesn't need to be nerfed at all. She's in a good spot just shy of 48% win rate
Edit: fixed spelling error
Evewynn15 votesTo be fair, it does have a long cool down and mana cost. It also immobilizes her, giving you time to get out of the way if you're quick.
It's meant to give her the upper hand in dueling after landing it, swinging momentum like a counter in real life would do. Like fencing, it's her time to advance while you retreat.
HateDaddy9 votes[{quoted}](name=Celestial Bodied,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ekTEPf4k,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2016-06-25T23:04:30.103+0000)
To be fair, it does have a long cool down and mana cost. It also immobilizes her, giving you time to get out of the way if you're quick.
It's meant to give her the upper hand in dueling after landing it, swinging momentum like a counter in real life would do. Like fencing, it's her time to advance while you retreat.
Yes, her repelling CC and blocking all damage makes it an already god tier spell.
AlwaysByMySide11 votesHer W has an attack speed slow so that she can at least potentially duel a Tryndamere or Jax.
I mean, come late game she won't be able to regardless of the attack speed slow, but at least before then she can do so if she lands it.
Fiora, despite being the grand duelist, gets smashed 1v1 by the real late game duelists like Jax, Tryndamere, or Yi.
With that said, by all means remove the attack speed slow. As long as you are also okay with compensating nerfing a low win rate champion by giving her more power elsewhere. Maybe up the base damage and ratio of her passive? =)
FreezerFlare8 votesIt's like when you discover that gnar's jump gives him attack speed. Hidden cancer.
HateDaddy2 votes[{quoted}](name=Freezer Flare,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ekTEPf4k,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-06-25T22:00:29.748+0000)
It's like when you discover that gnar's jump gives him attack speed. Hidden cancer.
Steroids are different than debuffs, even if it is hidden power. You can play around steroids whereas debuffs are both good in combat and even utility. Short story, debuffs have more versatile power
resumed8 votesthe % hp true damage is the best part of jannas ult
stealthfox948 votesSigh these boards.
Wyrmblade5 votesIt's a sort of lazy way for her to be able to out duel other duelist champs, which typically rely on a lot of attack speed.
Slamurai Jack4 votesShe loses really hard to AS based duelists without it. It makes her able to fight those champs if she lands it, that's all.
Cloud2732 votesEven if she doesn't repel cc with it, she still slows your attack speed when she hits you. Why is this a thing? As if trying to fight through her kassadin ult on a basic ability, low mana costs and max HP true damage Janna ult wasn't bad enough, she has an anti-carry mechanic in her kit as well?
This needs to be removed, there's absolutely no reason for this to be a thing
How can you possibly complain about riposte when counter strike exists? Riposte can dodge ONE ability. Meanwhile Jax is almost invincible while counter strike is up. Champions like Jax and Tryndamere are so cancer for this game, because even if your entire team focuses them they still won't die.
The Deckowner4 votescounterstrike does not block any non-aa abilities, how is jax invincible?
HateDaddy5 votes[{quoted}](name=The Deckowner,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ekTEPf4k,comment-id=000a0001,timestamp=2016-06-26T02:21:32.374+0000)
counterstrike does not block any non-aa abilities, how is jax invincible?
As a Jax player, I admit I'm not a fan of the aoe damage reduction he gets from counterstrike but it all ties into a meaningful choice of continue it to dodge AAs or pop it to stun and become extremely vulnerable.
