Riot, this yasou nerf won't be enough to get him through bans

Death by Glamour·May 28, 2017·46 votes·2,689 views

I'm sorry but it won't, too many people have different problems with the champ and varying opinions on why yasou is so annoying to play against you just hit on one of them but there are a few more which are often spoken about

His windwall needs to be looked at, it should only block from the side he was facing when cast. It is my personal gripe when facing a yasou.

His ult should only be proced by knock ups, no more vayne e into a yasou r.

I'm not to sure if they fixed his r positioning afer he ults but it was once the case he would land outside of tower range after an r tower dive, perhaps someone else can clarify.

Strong lane bully and a strong late game, it is what it is and he is not the only one guilty of this still can be seen as an issue

His double passive

Thoughts?

109 Comments

Automated RivenMay 28, 201720 votes

Actually these nerfs are very good. Its what I suggested a while ago. It lowers yasuos ability to sit on his tornado and zone his opponent from cs for 10 seconds in the early game.

Death by GlamourMay 28, 20176 votes

Yeh i know, i read and upvoted the thread. There was also similar suggestions about jhin holding his 4th shot.

but thats not the point i am making, its that there is varying opinions on why he is unfun to play against. Some people still talk about his mobility, is it a problem? No its not but some people believe it to be true.

ModAcademy KaynMay 28, 20176 votes

I'd argue that with Jhin holding his 4th shot, he can't farm without using abilities. Annie and Yasou can still auto away.

Death by GlamourMay 28, 20174 votes

There had to be a down side to him zoning people off farm when he was strong

A similar change to Annie wouldn't work because she would just hold a 3 stacks instead of 4.

Sraeg2013May 28, 201719 votes

Thoughts?

The compiled list of Yasuo complaints on the Boards:

Passive exists.
Passive exists.
Passive exists.
Passive gives a shield.
Passive gives increases crit chance.
Passive decreases his crit damage, but it's too low.
Q exists.
Q exists.
Q exists.
Q deals damage.
Q is a knockup
Q is too wide.
Q is too long.
Q has a cooldown.
W exists.
W exists.
W exists.
W blocks skillshots.
W blocks skillshots.
W blocks skillshots.
W has a cooldown.
W is too wide
W lasts too long.
E exists.
E exists.
E exists.
E is a dash.
E has a cooldown.
E is infinite mobility
R exists.
R exists.
R exists.
R can only be used on CC'd targets.
R gives armor pen.
R places Yasuo outside turret range.
R has a cooldown.
Yasuo has a name.
His name is Yasuo.
Yasou isn't his name.
Yasuo exists.
Yasuo exists.
Yasuo exists.
Yasuo is OP.
Yasuo is broken.
Yasuo is weak.
Phantom Dancer is a thing.
Yasuo has a katana.
Yasuo has a flute.
Yasuo is barefoot.
Yasuo drinks milk.
Yasuo x Riven.
Yasuo x Taliyah.
I forgot my fedora.
I like trains.

If I missed anything let me know.

IPromiseTomorrowMay 28, 20178 votes

Eh problems so small from people who complain over these small things just hate the champion solely Could even be that they won't reason for balance, rather, TOTAL DESTRUCTION is what they'd reason with since it's totally unreasonable.

Sraeg2013May 28, 20171 votes

Hence why "X exists" lines appear multiple times.

Doesn't matter what will happen to the champion, they will still cry he still exists.

IPromiseTomorrowMay 28, 20171 votes

Ehh don't put it in like it can't be changed. It can.

Look at Kassadin Zed. Over all nothing too drastic happend and they were good. People want something STUPID on Yasuo because they're unreasonable. Flow cost on W? Nah dumb. Affects him hard makes him wreak Causes a Yasuo to be useless and not very good in fights. Why does this sound good for Yasuo haters? Go figure.

It can change. I got ambitions

Sraeg2013May 29, 20173 votes

Kassadin went from being involved in up to 98% of games to becoming trash tier crap that can't do anything without getting 3 full items first. Zed... well Boards have currently enough champions to whine about apparently.

IPromiseTomorrowMay 29, 20171 votes

He can 75 to zero Adc's and mids now I don't think he's bad abs his mobility is high.

Zed is just in the shadow of other Op's which I like a LOT

Sraeg2013May 29, 20171 votes

But he still has ~10% pickrate and 40% banrate which is 5% lower than Yasuo's.

IPromiseTomorrowMay 29, 20171 votes

Hn oh. That's pretty high tbh. My highest knowledge of Kass had been reached lol. I think you know more than me at this point I won't Well nice chat ^^

Sraeg2013May 29, 20171 votes

Kass? I thought we were talking about Zed.

Kass is at ~15% banrate which is a lot lower than either Zed or Yasuo.

GULAG 4 UMay 29, 20171 votes

Have you seen the boards when Zed was good? There were so many garbage posts that any person who isn't a circlejerker would get cancer.

Sun Wu RyuumokuMay 29, 20172 votes

they already don't reason with balancing to begin

IPromiseTomorrowMay 29, 20174 votes

I'd ban them from the boards.

Omg.

I hope that gets implemented. Holy Just to dicuss what happend in my head If there is a toxic unreasonable hater like ______ We can have the power to ban him, report for "stupidity" (or this guy is getting his facts wrong) "hate bias over summoners code" "etcx100"

And more etc and WE BOARDS CAN PURGE A DISEASE IN THE SYSTEM

Obviously I'm taking this specialty as very special. I want this.

LostFr0stMay 28, 201711 votes

The Q changes on Pbe limit his ability to hold and zone with his Q; a large part of his early-game power.

I'm not to sure if they fixed his r positioning afer he ults but it was once the case he would land outside of tower range after an r tower dive, perhaps someone else can clarify.

^Not a bug. This is the intended interaction since he locks himself into the R channel.

Death by GlamourMay 28, 20174 votes

thanks babe.

hhaavviikkMay 28, 20175 votes

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The Q changes on Pbe limit his ability to hold and zone with his Q; a large part of his early-game power.

^Not a bug. This is the intended interaction since he locks himself into the R channel.

but that isn't a valid reason to remove the risk from using his ult, warwick doesn't get placed 6 teemo's away from his target when he ults them just so he isn't in tower range.

LostFr0stMay 28, 20173 votes

WW has damage reduction and builds off-tanky with a passive to sustain him if he's low while ulting. The two champs can't be compared 1:1.

hhaavviikkMay 28, 20174 votes

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WW has damage reduction and builds off-tanky with a passive to sustain him if he's low while ulting. The two champs can't be compared 1:1.

and yasuo also used to build off tanky so that still isn't a valid argument.

WW can build squishy and tanky, but either way his ult doesn't care whether he gets placed in tower range or not Yasuo can build squishy and tanky, but either way his ult will place him outside tower range unless you're standing against the bloody tower

I'm comparing the mechanism of yasuo's ult and warwicks ult which work the same, with both they CC a target while being CC'ed themselves so to say, except 1 gets a extra benefit for no valid reason what so ever.

Death by GlamourMay 28, 20172 votes

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WW has damage reduction and builds off-tanky with a passive to sustain him if he's low while ulting. The two champs can't be compared 1:1.

Tbf for being a melee skirmisher he ain't that squish with new the new ga life steal and pd

PhDs NutsMay 28, 20173 votes

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^Not a bug. This is the intended interaction since he locks himself into the R channel.

All other champions with channeled abilities lock themselves into the channel, too. They know not to do it under turret if they can't get out. I've always hated this argument. Should Fiddlesticks' drain teleport him outside of turret range, too? Katarina R? Cait ult?

LostFr0stMay 28, 20179 votes

None of those abilities are connected with a blink, nor are they activatable outside of vision range. They all know where they are and will end up (nowhere).

The closest thing to the Yasuo case is probably Ekko ult but again there's something, he heals and becomes untargetable with an invulnerability pocket.

AwesomeGuyDjMay 29, 20171 votes

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None of those abilities are connected with a blink, nor are they activatable outside of vision range. They all know where they are and will end up (nowhere).

The closest thing to the Yasuo case is probably Ekko ult but again there's something, he heals and becomes untargetable with an invulnerability pocket.

if he ults someone, he should know if there under tower and think accordingly. Also in the case of multiple people it should be whoevers closest to where you clicked imo.

ÔneWindyBoiMay 30, 20171 votes

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if he ults someone, he should know if there under tower and think accordingly. Also in the case of multiple people it should be whoevers closest to where you clicked imo.

It blinks you to whoever is closest to your mouse

Stars ShaperMay 28, 201711 votes

Nothing that leaves him playable is making him pass through the ban phase.

Yasuo will be accepted by the whiny community once all his skills and AA deal max 1 damage and his windwall doesn't wall anything (and costs flow).

macromiteMay 29, 20175 votes

this is why reworks happen.

korg023May 29, 20171 votes

I am just going to ban him so no one in my team picks him. Simple. When i see one of my teammates pick yasuo before picking phase. I just ban him and watch him say "okay now i go feed" :D Nothing better than watching salty yasuo player whine.

JoseraphMay 29, 20172 votes

You're part of League's toxicity issues

Nomad SolMay 28, 20177 votes

The yasuo sheep on this board truly believe that if they love tap yasuo that suddenly everyone's going to be just magically fine with his windwall, shield passive and mobility. It's ok guys, he got some numbers nerfs, I can now totally accept having yasuo press a button and make all of my skills AND autos worthless #outplayed. This is what yasuo weebs truly believe.

Sraeg2013May 28, 20177 votes

Some people developed this truly amazing ability to not throw everything and their dog into the Windwall.

Darksun DragoonMay 29, 20173 votes

To be fair, their dog should make it through. Pets aren't blocked by it.

[slayer-jinx-wink]

ShahamutMay 29, 20172 votes

I actually laughed out loud at this. :-P

GULAG 4 UMay 29, 20174 votes

Walking around isn't counterplay. Yasuo's windwall snares you in front of it. TIL.

Emerald FangMay 29, 20172 votes

yeah, because his windwall deals 200/400/600/800/1000 (+625% bonus AD * Critical Strike Chance * 2.5) and stuns for 16 seconds on hit.

CalabokMay 28, 20176 votes

10 bans? Yasuo banned forever? NIIIIICE!

Death by GlamourMay 29, 20174 votes

Its funny that the only reason they are taking a look at him is because of the new banning system

ThefrostyvikingMay 29, 20171 votes

hey.....now that you mention it.....

SirTeemoMushroomMay 28, 20175 votes

listen dude .. they ain't going to "delete" a champion because low elo players can't handle it ... if you notice rarely a high elo player (d3+ ) will complain about a yasuo ...

Death by GlamourMay 28, 20175 votes

I'm not suggesting they do anything to him.

I was just saying that so many people have different issues with him that this one nerf won't make a difference to him receiving a ban

AeróMay 28, 20174 votes

NOTHING is enough to get him through bans because it's only bronzies that wanna permaban him. Higher elo players actually learn how to play around him and don't care about banning him all the time.

Death by GlamourMay 28, 201712 votes

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NOTHING is enough to get him through bans because it's only bronzies that wanna permaban him. Higher elo players actually learn how to play around him and don't care about banning him all the time.

20% ban rate in diamond

Red WreckageMay 28, 20173 votes

Yasuo is strong lane bully? against what?

Renekton is a lane bully....level 3 and he'll start dashing in, unloading full combo cause stun and dashing out every 10 seconds or something till you're forced to back or get dived under tower by enemy jg. dat interaction, many counterplays.

against Yasuo, maybe try not to all in on him level 2? and not panic waste damage/cc spell?

DunkinNoobsMay 28, 20177 votes

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Yasuo is strong lane bully? against what?

Yasuo is a strong lane bully lvls 1 and 2 against champs that need all 3 abilities to trade properly. Beyond that, he's a very meh laner until he gets his PD in which case he has a window to start winning again until the enemy laner finishes their first big item.

DreampodMay 29, 20172 votes

His ability to zone most champions off the minion wave for 10 seconds (now 8) is huge combined with his ability to all in at will during the lane phase and shrug off harass with his shield and avoid all ins with windwall. Basically he has above average counters to all ways that other players could beat him during lane. His worst case scenario in lane is that he misses a cs or two a wave and gets no kills pre 6.

DunkinNoobsMay 29, 20173 votes

Now 6. And above average counters to all ways is a huge exaggeration. Juggs and bruisers shit on him, and tanks also shit on him past the first few levels. Even a decent number of mages do well against him.

WyrmbladeMay 29, 20171 votes

He must be Azir'd.

NielarkenMay 29, 20175 votes

No one not even lee deserves what happened to azir.

DanjengMay 29, 20172 votes

How about LeBlanc'ed? She sees play even now. She can still do well if the player is dedicated and skilled. If Yasuo gets hit with nerfs on the same level, his play rate would hopefully decrease, and only mains would play him and excel on him.