What exactly am I suppose to build against Yi?

Guy Fox Teemo·Mar 1, 2016·20 votes·6,735 views

Armor? Mr? Health? Everything? I had like 400 armor on Shen, 200 mr, and 3000 health. I still get shredded by that Yi, isn't super tanky stats suppose to like be his counter? Before he had to build crit, and large amounts of AD to, get that assassin lvl damage, but now with literally jsut devourer and guinsoos. He shreds you so insanely fast its ridiculous, and you can't build against it, because he does all 3 types of damage, and does A LOT of them.

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Dirty RoleplayerMar 1, 201617 votes

It's not your job to duel Yi 1 v 1 or something. Your job is to peel and taunt him until your team deals with him. If Yi gets his items he is able to duel with anybody and flat out win. People tend to forget the basics of a MOBA. Champions or heroes have different roles to play. That's why teamwork is important.

Guy Fox TeemoMar 1, 20164 votes

Where in the post do I say 1v1?

Silents429Mar 1, 20166 votes

In that case your post screams terrible teamwork, and that is why Yi stomped you.

trendsetterMar 1, 20161 votes

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SP DodgecityMar 2, 20162 votes

Doesn't matter to me lol Any champion that literally requires your ENTIRE team to beat is a broken champion.... because you know... there are still 4 other people on the enemy team.. so its like, "waste everything on YI to kill him... and die to counter attack" Or "don't focu... nvm focus yi and hope the other team are scrubs..."

Magus PolarisMar 1, 20169 votes

No, you use "damage", "CC", "map prescence" and "taking advantage of his need to take twenty minutes to reach a powerspike"; those are his counters.

weeaboomerMar 1, 20163 votes

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No, "damage", "CC", "map prescence" and "taking advantage of his need to take twenty minutes to reach a powerspike" are his counters.

Just pink the spears.

qetzelMar 1, 20161 votes

That is not relevant use of the meme...

Guy Fox TeemoMar 1, 20161 votes

Gets his power spike. Lot faster due to his kit being a ball of stats because of his ult and devourer by it self already boosts it significantly without stated ( devourer is being nerfed in it's early lower next patch which I like)

algolsolMar 1, 20169 votes

You shouldnt be trying to 1v1 him if thats what your doing. As a Shen i would say you actually hard counter him in many ways. You provide a lot of map presence at 6 that can take advantage of his weak early game before his spike. If you then start using that pressure to prevent him from getting any camps then he doesnt do much all game. If you are trying to stop his split, best thing to do is when he dives (and he will) is to take advantage of your dodge and let the tower do most of the work and hopefully have someone come help. In team fights, whoever he goes on taunt him off and use your dodge field and during that time your team should kill him. Even a tank yi should die in that time. If he doesnt the issue isnt the yi, its your team/comp.

SaiannaMar 2, 20161 votes

what about 4 other enemies in that time?

While your team is burning lots of resources to deal with Yi, 4 other enemies can do as they please. AND on top of that Yi usually joins teamfight when at least 1 squishy can be killed fast to get resets for more kills. So are you supposed to hold on all of your CC to deal with Yi?

DrCabesMar 1, 20167 votes

Umm, lategame as Shen you should've been able to taunt W and you/your team should've been able to kill him before the taunt even ran out. As Shen you're like Yi's worst nightmare if you play right lol. Just E to peel him off the carry and W your carry after and he literally does 0 damage to them. Granted this relies on having a carry that isn't stupid but then the problem is them and not Yi.

Guy Fox TeemoMar 1, 20162 votes

The Yi was actually really good at dodibg taunts with q's

Remlap1223Mar 1, 20161 votes

Then you're playing too predictably.

Guy Fox TeemoMar 1, 20161 votes

So every time a player in the LCS gets their skill shot dodged its predictable? Some people are just really good at dodging stuff

Baron of BreadMar 1, 20161 votes

You can still stop his damage output for a bit with your W, and hopefully if Yi is dodging your E then one of your teammates can get him with their cc.

MelledoneusMar 2, 20161 votes

You're supposed to hold onto your E as a pressure tool, not engage with it. Wait for Yi to use his Q before locking him down. And for goodness' sake, don't try to fight him by yourself. 1.75 seconds of dodge won't save you for long.

alasarcherMar 1, 20163 votes

item 3068 item 3110 item 3143 item 3047 item 3075 item 3742

Use your dodge when he uses his E to negate most of his true damage.

Wolfram OxfordMar 1, 20161 votes

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Use your dodge when he uses his E to negate most of his true damage.

Frozen heart is useless against Yi, as his ultimate makes him immune to even attack speed slows. Randuin's is also useless because of a similar reason, but currently he doesn't build crit. Ninja tabi negate 10% of the damage from auto attacks, when Yi isn't building large amounts of ad, this item is also useless. I suggest item 3026 , this item offers both mr and armor, plus the main thing that gets Yi going is the reset on his ultimate, allowing him to continue to clean up. If he can't get a reset his dps goes down, and he is very vulnerable because less attack speed=less qs=cc is more effective & he can't maneuver around a team.

alasarcherMar 1, 20161 votes

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Frozen heart is useless against Yi, as his ultimate makes him immune to even attack speed slows.

Wrong. Only on attack speed slows that also slow movement like Nasus W, Nunu E, Anivia R... Malphite E, Frozen Heart and Randuins work fine.

Wolfram OxfordMar 1, 20161 votes

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Wrong. Only on attack speed slows that also slow movement like Nasus W, Nunu E, Anivia R... Malphite E, Frozen Heart and Randuins work fine.

You are wrong again, his ultimate negates all slows.

alasarcherMar 1, 20161 votes

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You are wrong again, his ultimate negates all slows.

Test it.

ShifuneMar 1, 20162 votes

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Use your dodge when he uses his E to negate most of his true damage.

Then the ap midlaner walks up and 1 shots you.

TheFleetAdmiralMar 2, 20161 votes

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Use your dodge when he uses his E to negate most of his true damage.

Most? The e lasts longer than the dodge by a bit

DehitayMar 1, 20163 votes

You're supposed to build a good team comp. The reason Yi does so well in bronze tier is because the vast majority of people there only care about being high damage. Once you get to about gold, people get smart enough to realize that CC is what wins fights. That's why you don't see much of Yi in higher tiers. Once he gets hard stunned, he goes squish. And it's not hard to do since his only option is to charge straight into your team.

Guy Fox TeemoMar 1, 20161 votes

I'm plat V we had a gr8 team comp and now looking back at it , I think we lost more of our Lissandra reaaaaaally sucking (never used ult on Yi) but even thn I still think this current build magic damage that does true damage build is a bit over tuned

weeaboomerMar 1, 20162 votes

Just bend over and accept your fate. Similar to Jax , AD plus 2 free lich banes? the fuck am I supposed to build?

Unskilled BronzeMar 1, 20162 votes

Dmg. Kappa

yay nibbersMar 1, 20162 votes

death... best cc... etc etc

Earl EulrichMar 1, 20162 votes

you can´t build against yi, you can only hope you have the necessary comp to pin him down and kill him in teamfights or win the game before he has 3+items.

RocketRelmMar 1, 20162 votes

CC. You're supposed to bring CC against Yi.

LuggMar 1, 20162 votes

You can't really build anything against Yi due to his true damage. The only thing you really can do is play a champion with hard CC against him. This is why he is broken and needs a rework.

BluePolarizerMar 1, 20162 votes

If you were Shen: item 3748 item 3075 item 3068 item 3053 item 3047 item 3065

I don't see how Yi should be doing anything to you while you melt him. With that build you mathematically do more damage to him than he does to you. And if he tries to fight you in W? lol.

MunchCrunchLunchMar 1, 20161 votes

if you want to beat yi. you basically have to build as much damage as you can. your whole team. idc if you have a nautlius. tell him to go full ap and just cc ult his ass to damnation.

AnonagonMar 1, 20161 votes

What do you build against Yi? Damage. The entire point of Yi is that you cannot hope to tank him, and you cannot afford to straight up duel him. Tank stats do not counter Yi in any way, and they never were supposed to. To beat Yi, you use burst and CC.

Sightless66Mar 1, 20161 votes

isn't super tanky stats suppose to like be his counter?

Who said that? Tanks counter him, but that's because they can easily peel him and lock him down, not because they're expected to be able to take his damage.

Before he had to build crit, and large amounts of AD to, get that assassin lvl damage, but now with literally jsut devourer and guinsoos.

He's doing significantly less damage with the bruiser build than he did with high AD builds (he never seriously built crit post-rework past maybe a ghostblade). He's just tankier. You can respond to that.

AmelieMar 1, 20161 votes

As the tank, you want to stack health and attack speed slows. So you'd want Randuin's and Frozen Heart (even on Shen, unfortunately) along with the MR items, maybe even Warmog's. He'll still shred through you, but hopefully you slow him down enough for your team to kill him.

Shen has a taunt and aa blocking that are also useful against him. The idea is to not duel him.

Mandang0Mar 1, 20161 votes

The same thing you should build vs everyone: health. It's good vs both types of damage, doesn't get diminished by %pen, and it's actually what increases your effective HP the most per gold.

SpookyNeedleMar 1, 20161 votes

Your armor/mr ratio should be about 60/40

Silents429Mar 1, 20161 votes

isn't super tanky stats suppose to like be his counter?

No in fact I have never seen anyone suggest that was his counter.

His counter is teamwork and peel. Combine that with competent junglers who know how to deny him early game scuttles to delay his late game, and Yi is doomed.

La BarbotteMar 1, 20161 votes

your supposed to starve him with your teamates and dont let him farm to render him useless, while that ok on paper good luck doing that in soloQ

General Esdeath Mar 1, 20161 votes

Thonmail and CC

IqqiMar 1, 20161 votes

Yi is insane. Especially in Bronze. People don't draft to deal with him. Everyone plays whatever they want or they try to pick to "counter" their lane opponent. (insert Yi jungle here)

You really cant deal with a fed Yi without CCing him and killing him as a team. In lane I like to play Nasus personally. Has the potential to get huge, but still cant kill a Yi unless he is terrible.

In ranked play a Yi can throw games or they can carry. It depends when they go in and who they go in on. Had a game against a fed Yi this week who for whatever reason wanted to ult and lead the charge for his team. Ahri would charm him on his way in and he would be dead before he even got out of it. If she wasn't able to find him and charm him, he destroyed out entire team.

TL:DR - You have to focus Yi and you need to draft around him. You can not just have your entire team pick whatever champions they want and expect to win a game against a Yi. He eventually will always come online.

Baron of BreadMar 1, 20161 votes

If he only has Devourer and Guinsoo for damage you can stack health against him, it is a much better bet than stacking armor and mr (you should have plenty of those though, but 400 and 200 seems excessive). If he picks up a BotRK then you want to focus on more armor, but then he will either do less of the other damage types or be even more squishy.

In the end, most of his damage pre-mitigation will be physical almost without regards to his build. But if you already have armor, Health is the natural counter to flat true damage.

Emperor TimeMar 1, 20161 votes

the counterplay to yi is to end the game before the 30 minute mark.

ltmetalMar 2, 20161 votes

The classic item that counters Yi item 3075 is laughably weak and does nothing against true damage or on-hit magic damage. Time for Thornmail buffs (or at least balance changes) was long ago, because all autoattack reliant champions are on rampaging pick and win rates with little fear of counteritemization.