I havent seen people complain about this in a while, until today

SwiftKitten88·Feb 22, 2017·2 votes·942 views

why are people STILL complaining that champs like:

have no outplay?

"omg lee is too strong, after he lands his Q he has no outplay"

um the OUTPLAY is to not get hit by the Q?

ALL of these champs have a STRAIGHT LINE skillshot that start at the first target hit. including minions.

DONT GET HIT!!! THAT IS YOUR OUTPLAY

nither nidalee or lee are going to 1v1 you from full hp if their Q misses.

the strength of these champson is tied to their Q. dont let it hit

there is a REASON why thresh "Q" is calLed "DEATH SENTENCE".

you get hit buy it.. EXPECT TO DIE!!!

8 Comments

TeemodanegroFeb 22, 20171 votes

The frustration with lee is that his whole kit is in the Q, so if he lands it you're probably going to die. and if he doesn't you wont. until another 6 seconds pass.

There should be more power in his E and not his Q, make his E deal phys damage and lower attack speed and take the %hp damage execute on his Q and throw it in the trash can.

SwiftKitten88Feb 22, 20171 votes

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The frustration with lee is that his whole kit is in the Q, so if he lands it you're probably going to die. and if he doesn't you wont. until another 6 seconds pass.

There should be more power in his E and not his Q, make his E deal phys damage and lower attack speed and take the %hp damage execute on his Q and throw it in the trash can.

i will admit lee kinda is worse than the others because he isn't gated by mana, and he is by far the hardest to kill within the time limit out of all of these but still, when i get killed by a lee... i normally feel like i was outplayed. its slightly different from a Quinn flying at you at Mach 2 instant CCing you blinding you and then your dead before u can use one ability or a Shaco popping out of absolutely nowhere. killing you or your ADC and despite knowing he is nearby, despite seeing the puff of smoke, you CAN'T stop it because u don't know where he is or WHO he choose to target.. and if u try to item 3364 him just waits it out and come back 10 seconds later.

THESE are champs with ZERO OUTPLAY...

TeemodanegroFeb 22, 20171 votes

I'm not comparing lee to any other champion, but his whole entire point of power is front loaded into his Q.

Shaco needs to out play you, he needs to q in behind and use his W and E, he needs his R to diffuse the attack against him. In other words he needs all 4 buttons rather than just Q and R.

Quinn is in a weird spot right now, but she still needs to use all her abilities to kill you, Lee doesn't.

Ultimate DeadpooFeb 22, 20171 votes

Well this community is a breeding ground of negativity and complaining about shit. Its kinda sad really.

Big LincolnFeb 22, 20171 votes

there's no out play to thresh instant flay that slows you for ages

SwiftKitten88Feb 22, 20171 votes

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there's no out play to thresh instant flay that slows you for ages

i am talking solely about the "Q" of these champs in this thread, obviously they bring other things to the table as well, but normally what most people complain about is the "Q".

Godly CabbageFeb 22, 20171 votes

The only champion on that list that anyone complains about is Lee and he deserves it. He doesn't have any skill to land his Q because he has so much mobility he just R's you, does half your HP then Q's you while you are unable to move and one shots you. Besides just that, his Q has a high missile speed meaning it isn't just "easy" to dodge. Maybe if hes max range it is, but otherwise its hit box and missile speed make it an easy ability to hit. Its main problem is the ability rewards you so much for hitting it yet doesnt punish you for not hitting it like say nidalee with her spears. He will still do retarded damage without it, can cc an entire team, and has great mobility. Not even mentioning the fact that his Q can just be casted 5-7 seconds later.

SwiftKitten88Feb 22, 20171 votes