Better jungler than the "stealthy assasin" Evelyn. This guy ganks at lvl 2 with red and almost always gets a flash or a kill. The fact that a hyper scaling late game carry like him can also jungle effectively should be embarrassing.
Faie37 votesIn what world is Twitch jungle stronger than Eve? I know we like to hate on Twitch and ADC's here, but Twitch jungle is a very cheese pick that relies on the enemy not knowing how to punish it.
Crystalysk19 votes+1 deserved.
Twitch gank level 2 is telegraphed and easy to avoid. If he fails it he most likely has been counter jungled already and put behind.
People just don't know how to deal with that pick.
Imperial Japan3 votesIt’s sad and pathetic that someone at his elo is complaining about it lol. Twitch Jungle is pretty much time the easiest jungler to shut down.
nice table1 votesits sad that people who have never seen a good twitch jungle are assuming that the way twitch jungle is played is
TehNACHO3 votesWell, don't tell us how it would actually go and carry on this discussion or something
nice table2 votessorry love i'm from the generation where if someone makes a retarded statement you tell them they are wrong not from the one where you cite 50 sources to tell them why they are wrong, he can do his own research on how high elo twitch jungle is played if he wants to discuss it.
TehNACHO2 votesNo, no, tell me more about basic common courtesy and if not providing 50 links to an issue, just one to help somebody on their way to deciphering what you mean.
I mean it's not like I can pull up a couple highlight reels right now of Diamond+ Twitch players starting Red and cheese ganking right away or something.
nice table1 votespeople in low - mid diamond still don't respect cheese and it's not "high elo" by any means. just go look at rat or something
TehNACHO2 votesOr, you know, you could link me to an example.
Also not entirely sure you should be calling out Diamond players at your apparent rating.
nice table1 votesits not calling out diamond players its acknowledging how people play at the elo i play at, still think you can do your own research if you want to discuss something you clearly don't know anything about though.
TehNACHO2 votesSo...Diamond 5? I guess you mean to say you're not high elo and you also don't know what you're talking about, quoting yourself.
nice table1 votesyawn never said dia players don't know what they are talking about what i said was the people in diamond don't respect cheese so it's good to abuse that but you don't actually need to cheese to play twitch jungle. well since you are clearly incapable of doing the most basic research and use ad hominem argumentation with misquoting and twisting points i guess i'm done here.
Imperial Japan1 votesI’m a Twitch jg main in plat (200~ games w/60% w/r) and although I’m not the best, as I main the champion, I’m here to tell you that that is pretty much how Twitch Jungle works. You get red, then you gank a lane close to it, and if you’re against a smart jungler that counter jungles you, you’ll fall behind in both xp/ levels and gold while not being able to catch up till late game. That being said, once Twitch gets ahead, they can snowball out of control. It’s a hit or miss and YES, that IS how Twitch Jungle is played. (Unless you don’t care about your teammates and just 24/7 tax your mid/top lane) (or duo with a support that goes top/mid cough Rat IRL cough) that being said, you can find situation in which you can come back with (a random team fight that you win) but it’s not something that a Twitch Jungle can count on every game
nice table1 votesi mean that is how twitch jungle works in plat yes, however you don't need to level 2 gank at all and at medium elos its more efficient to kill the enemy jungler at level 2 instead of ganking and at high elo you just do a standard 2 buff clear and level 3 gank.
gud jangler1 voteswhat you mean his elo? d5, plat, gold what's the difference ;D
Imperial Japan1 votesThat one of the top 10(?) percentile of players are complaining about something insignificant and rediculpusly easy to shit down.
gud jangler1 votesyou didn't get the point
Imperial Japan1 votesyeah, sorry ):
charge attack4 votesEvery jungler can counterjungle the shit out of him and litter his JG with vision (aka you know where he is on the map).
T4underbolt1 votesOkay dude lef me wait undsr my turret and lose xp and farm because i cant come close to farm since i saw twitch coming mid. This is not counterplay. He wins the lane for his mid laner by only exisiting and being there. This is bullsht. Twitch should get at least eve treatment. Stealth not working untill 6 and gives only ms and as out of combat.
Bârd15 votesThe reason Twitch can jungle isn't that he has some kind of amazing early game. He just doesn't.
If he gets hassled in his jungle he's dead, and if he loses red buff for any reason he doesn't bring much damage.
The only reason he's a good jungler is that he has stealth. If Gromp could take red buff and go invis, even he could do what Twitch does in the early game.
Eve isn't a "stealthy assassin" in the early game, but when she was SHE DID THE SAME SHIT. In the early game, she died to a sneeze and hit like a wet noodle, but she was an UNEXPECTED wet noodle, so she could get kills by turning close 1v1's into surprise 1v2's.
But no. Instead of learning to press tab at the start of the game and not do stupid shit like shove the lane against a MIA Twitch, beg riot for nerfs. Blame the game instead of yourself, nice job.
DuskDaUmbreon2 votes{quoted} If Gromp could take red buff and go invis, even he could do what Twitch does in the early game.
I'm not gonna lie, I want to see this happen.
Infernape2 votesI want to see a game mode where the Rift Scuttler gets its revenge.
Kitten of Evil4 votesshe died to a sneeze and hit like a wet noodle, but she was an UNEXPECTED wet noodle
In my head, I read this part in a Soraka voice. "Yes, that is a wet noodle. Nobody expects the wet noodle!"
ChuShoe1 votesThere's still no reason for twitch to be able to instagib teams when exiting stealth after level 6 and a 
Not referring to jungle twitch, just twitch in general.
Bârd1 votesHe can't.
He needs at least 
to have any high degree of burst.
A Twitch with hurricane and a BF sword can kill people, but so can every other ADC with a similar amount of gold spent on core items.
NemeBro14 votes[{quoted}](name=useless nihilist,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=eazZjHAF,comment-id=,timestamp=2017-12-14T00:04:54.777+0000)
Better jungler than the "stealthy assasin" Evelyn.
https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/diamond/plus/champion/Evelynn/Jungle/
https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/diamond/plus/champion/Twitch/Jungle/
Sure he is buddy.
Serika Zero2 votestwich feels more oppressive to laners (mid and top) than eve. also, i looked at the website you linked
apparently eve building only 
has 54% win rate
and twich building only has 50% win rate
where is that data collected from? private troll server where the only item in the shop are control wards? no wonder twich has issue jungling, he gets no jungle item :(
Imperial Japan2 votesCheck champion gg - a trusted website that says Twitch jg has a worse winrate than that “troll site”
Serika Zero1 votesi like how i make a joke about a website bug and you people get triggered
Imperial Japan1 votesBecause the style you type with doesn't show any sense of humor or sarcasm.
BestPudgeNA1 voteshttps://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/diamond/plus/champion/Evelynn/Jungle/
https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/diamond/plus/champion/Twitch/Jungle/
Sure he is buddy.
I learn that 
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That site has a ton of helpful and truly accurate information. Thanks for the Link
Dasdi9610 votesYeah they reworked rengar to gave him warnings before he jumps in, hopes he kill someone, then die because he is melee with no good escape. Meanwhile twitch does the same thing except from 850 range, and aoe.
Imperial Pandaa6 votesHe is a niche jungler who pretty much needs to cheese lvl 2 gank. With the xp changes in the jungle, he might get punished more if counter jungled.
DuskDaUmbreon3 votesWe're still bitching about Twitch jg? One of the biggest jokes in League?
Look. Take his red, and don't overextend. Boom, he's now completely fucking useless. Hell, just take his red and he won't even have the damage to be threatening.
Pick any assassin jungler and you autowin. Pick...fuck, anyone and you autowin, as long as your jungler has enough of a brain to just take his red. Boom, you've made him completely irrelevant for the next...forever.
He's one of the biggest cheese picks in League that exist. You make that level 2 gank not happen, and Twitch might as well not even exist.
waiting for WoW2 votesExcept Kindred is a late game hyper carry that is also designed to be an aggressive ganker and counter jungler to?
hi ìm groot13 votesKindred is not a hyper carry.
Wínters Dawn3 votesYa she is. Riot has defined her as a late game hyper carry. Shm
hi ìm groot6 votesO rly? Where?
Chembaron Yamada6 votesFrom the kit, everything is there. Endlessly scaling % HP damage, endlessly scaling AS steroid, endlessly scaling range.
Kindred is actually the champion with the most hyper carry steroids in the entire game.
hi ìm groot11 votesKay, "endlessly scaling" means nothing. No one cares if this champion could one shot baron in a 3 hour custom game. What this champion actually DOES is has a dueling kit, and a utility ult. It would take an absurd amount of stacks for this champion to start dealing damage like a kogmaw or twitch late game.
waiting for WoW2 votes[{quoted}](name=Wínters Dawn,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=eazZjHAF,comment-id=000400000000,timestamp=2017-12-14T00:43:17.490+0000)
Ya she is. Riot has defined her as a late game hyper carry. Shm
Lol these plebs don't even remember what Kindred was like when each auto could do like 10% current HP on hit physical damage + 4% max HP on-hit damage from bloodrazor enchant + 8% current HP on-hit physical damage from BOTRK.....
[zombie-brand-facepalm]
YiffMeImAFurry2 votesPersonally while I feel that Kindred can carry pretty hard if the need arises, Kindred also needs to do quite a lot more before they reach that point.
You are heavily, heavily reliant on two things 1) that the enemy team isnt contesting your marked camps and 2) that your team can work with you on your marked targets. 3) Your team knows how to work with your ultimate.
Without marks, youre incredibly, incredibly screwed even with items. You really need to start hitting 8-10 marks before you start to really kick ass, which can be pretty difficult in most games, as free marks on camps are harder to come by when you hit higher up, as only baron and dragon become marked. You also dont get to build as much crit as other ADCs, because you're jungler and there are other items you need more (unless its super late game where you can sell your jg item for like, I dont know, essence reaver, because its crit, 10 more AD, and more CDR and red smite doesnt see much use when that extra tiny bit of true damage/20% damage reduction probably wont save you in those 40 minute plus teamfights).
If your team cant work with your ultimate (say for example, a xayah ults then uses rootcaller while the enemy is already at the 10% threshold, or a lux Es while theyre still invincibile, is the most common issue in my experience) then that can make or break a teamfight, because it affects both enemies and allies. If your team can burst enemies down after your ult ends, then great. If not...ouch.
So IMO, Kindred can carry pretty hard. They aren't really a hyper carry however, IMO because of their lack of consistency. Some games you'll just get screwed out of marks and you're boned. Vayne or KogMaw just need to get items, while Kindred needs to rely on and juggle more things to be effective.
waiting for WoW2 votes[{quoted}](name=Azarith Skyflame,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=eazZjHAF,comment-id=00040000000000010000,timestamp=2017-12-14T06:33:06.705+0000)
Personally while I feel that Kindred can carry pretty hard if the need arises, Kindred also needs to do quite a lot more before they reach that point.
You are heavily, heavily reliant on two things 1) that the enemy team isnt contesting your marked camps and 2) that your team can work with you on your marked targets. 3) Your team knows how to work with your ultimate.
Without marks, youre incredibly, incredibly screwed even with items. You really need to start hitting 8-10 marks before you start to really kick ass, which can be pretty difficult in most games, as free marks on camps are harder to come by when you hit higher up, as only baron and dragon become marked. You also dont get to build as much crit as other ADCs, because you're jungler and there are other items you need more (unless its super late game where you can sell your jg item for like, I dont know, essence reaver, because its crit, 10 more AD, and more CDR and red smite doesnt see much use when that extra tiny bit of true damage/20% damage reduction probably wont save you in those 40 minute plus teamfights).
If your team cant work with your ultimate (say for example, a xayah ults then uses rootcaller while the enemy is already at the 10% threshold, or a lux Es while theyre still invincibile, is the most common issue in my experience) then that can make or break a teamfight, because it affects both enemies and allies. If your team can burst enemies down after your ult ends, then great. If not...ouch.
So IMO, Kindred can carry pretty hard. They aren't really a hyper carry however, IMO because of their lack of consistency. Some games you'll just get screwed out of marks and you're boned. Vayne or KogMaw just need to get items, while Kindred needs to rely on and juggle more things to be effective.
RIot already stated that Kindred was designed to be a ranged hyper carry that can jungle so people didn't have to play one bot lane..... the entire point of the mark system is to make Kindred players work for it because Kindred would be so broken if they could just free farm and scale up like other ADC that have to lane.
The fact that people don't actually know this today in hilarious and shows how bad her "rework" in 7.11 really was.
Boop Daddy 1 votesI don't understand why people are downvoting correct information????
gud jangler1 votesI came to this comment and I am thinking the same lol, every good comment in is minus ;D but guess what, there's 200 challengers and millions of monkeys ;D
