In games where I was mid laner against Katarina, I often felt helpless against her. Even if she couldn't 1v1 me, even if my creep score and KDA was better, once it came time to team fight, her damage still out-scaled mine. This is what I hate the most about this champion. No other champion will I despise as much as Katarina.
Drunk Rummate59 votesNo matter the meta, No matter the comp, Always ban Katarina and avoid that pub stomp.
Can you play Riven? They say she does well. It doesn't matter 'cuz Kat will make life living hell.
So remember next champ select When you have 3 bans To ban Katarina, that cunt, and then relax your hands.
Heckin Support5 votesNo matter the meta, No matter the comp, Always ban Katarina and avoid that pub stomp.
** Can you play Riven? They say she does well. It doesn't matter 'cuz Kat will make life living hell**.
So remember next champ select When you have 3 bans To ban Katarina, that cunt, and then relax your hands.
I beg your pardon? A riven should be able to stomp a katarina. With 2 hard cc I don't see how any Riven shouldn't win when a Katarina tries to 1v1 her.
Drunk Rummate19 votesI beg your pardon? A riven should be able to stomp a katarina. With 2 hard cc I don't see how any Riven shouldn't win when a Katarina tries to 1v1 her.
Wow you took that way too seriously, friend.
Crett36 votesKatarina is not going to 1v1 Riven. People don't play her to 1v1 people People play kat to 1v5
Bârd3 votesNo matter the meta, No matter the comp, Always ban Katarina and avoid that pub stomp.
Can you play Riven? They say she does well. It doesn't matter 'cuz Kat will make life living hell.
So remember next champ select When you have 3 bans To ban Katarina, that cunt, and then relax your hands.
You, sir, are classy as hell *tips fedora
RiotRiot Tiki50 votesI do not speak for the Balance or Champion teams, but I can speak my opinion on this :)
So, I have two inherent issues with Kat:
Fighting in-lane against resource-less champions just feels unfair when you have a resource to manage. They can spam all day long and never worry about it. Mana (and to a degree energy Champs) are gated by both cooldowns and mana. I know this is all supposed to work out in how the rest of the kit is balanced, but play against a Riven or a Kat who never has to deal with going OOM and it just feels unfair.
The amount of team coordination you need to shut down a Kat in a team fight before she does significant damage is... difficult in pub games. I feel like a lot of her (and Riven's) balance is based around team coordination countering them. Team coordination feels in short supply in pub games though. Really, it's not even about killing Kat or not, it's about killing her fast enough.
No hate for Kat or Riven players though. I mean, it's gotta feel good to do that to other teams so I understand :)
IcyPepper6 votesBut hey, look on the bright side. Mana champions, when late-game comes with the right builds, can give those resource-less champions a taste of their own medicine with better range and cc.
I honestly dislike Kat and Riven, but it feels good to play bruisers and last longer and stronger in a fight because I have more paths to build!
Rueian2 votesmost resource-less Champions dont give up enough to justify being resource-less
IcyPepper2 votesI'm trying to be positive! D:
But I dislike them just as much as everyone else. :<
Rueian2 votesI dont dislike them, just overall by being resourse-less the champion instantly becomes over tuned. If you can deal the same or more damage in the same spell cast rotation relatively safely with low cool downs and no cost, you are over tuned. Riven and Kat are VERY over tuned in terms of mobility, damage, and low cooldown. A great nerf to kat would be to remove her ability to jump to allied units and maybe increase her cooldowns to lessen her poke power. Riven needs her overall damage (base and ratio) reduced across the board since low cooldowns and mobility is kind of her identity.
TotalJerk8 votes[{quoted}](name=Riot Tiki,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=eaItBMEt,comment-id=000c,timestamp=2015-06-30T00:18:56.184+0000)
Really, it's not even about killing Kat or not, it's about killing her fast enough.
There lies my personal problem with Katarina. Her rotation is so goddamn fast that I often get killed by her before my brain begins processing the fact that she is even there. Forget about assessing the situation and deciding on a response. Her problem isn't her raw damage output, it's that fact that she can output her burst faster than virtually any other assassin in the game.
People compain about Zed and LeBlanc, but at least there's something to dodge or react to when they're involved.
3TWarrior3 voteswell, her abiltiies have animation cancelling so she can literally do every one of her abilities and then her ult in 3 seconds for EQWR
Mirage Night8 votesI think she is also the only assassin with no form a CC.
Zed slows, Talon Slows, Evelynn Slows Leblanc roots Ahri charms Kassinid Slows, Kaziks slows Noturn fears Ekko does way too much Fizz has a knock up and slow Akkali slows rengar slows/roots shaco slows and fears
I guess she gave up cc for being resourceless
xl Kirito lx20 votesDeath is the strongest form of CC.
Castman2 votesHidden Passive - Remove you from the rift for [seconds] (increases with champion's level)
What Is Smite2 votesYou could always try to rewire your brain to send signals to your fingers much faster than you can think, it pretty simple. Just try to be conscious of your own brain activity and soon you will be able to control certain body functions and what-not. After that it's just practice of reaction to signals sent off.
Earl Eulrich2 votesthe real troublesome thing though is that she has more potential if both teams are coordinated..i feel like she´s balanced around timing her ult horribly wrong and going in head first without many thoughts (and she still works rather well in soloq that way).
Are3 votesEnergy champs and Kat (assuming she doesn't proc Q) generally have mediocre harass as well.
Ryot Nomad3 votesLOL wait till she gets a ludens echo. Then her q will simply destroy you in lane.
Dalanin3 votesIf anything they should Delete the grievous wounds from her ult, No need for her to have that when they've deleted it from other assasins (hi fizz)
Also think about Leblanc, a Flashy Assasin with the ability to 100-0 you in 1 rotation and also with a hard Cc chain that she can repeat if she likes thanks to her ult, all this counting the low Cd's, Now that is hard to deal with considering she is a Ranged champion, Decent Dmg scaling and 2 Built in Flashes she can spam any time she likes to, without counting Summoner spells such as flash
Imo all you need to do is Cc her, same thing you would do in any other game with any other carry or any other potential threat.
Cosnirak4 votesThose are some real rosy glasses you got on... The reality is very different.
Poking Kat out usually works really well, until the laning phase ends. Or until you get ganked for doing it. Plus she can poke back and without ever running out of mana, even if it isn't the strongest poke it's not exactly laughable damage. Her poke is also very easy to land and has a decent range.
The real key though is that no matter how bad you screw her in laning once she hits lvl 6 she can just roam around and very easily get kills and assist and with just a little gold get the items to do insane damage and suddenly she goes from 0/3/0 to 5/4/4 or something like that. Then she just becomes this huge threat that you constantly have to be wary of. No one on your team can go anywhere alone without amazing vision coverage without the possibility of her just popping in and killing them in 1 second.
Often her damage is so high that Kat kills you before your cc even finishes casting or reaching her. Or she dodges it with shunpo or just because your cc is a skillshot.
Being melee means almost nothing because her damage is in her spells and none of them are melee or require auto attacks to do anything. Kat actually has far more flashes than LeBlanc ever can due to the resets. I know shunpo has the restriction of needing a target but there are almost always targets and she can even use wards.
Dalanin3 votesMr is not so expensive, even then its not like her poke is gonna kill you alone. She targeted you for her q? walk away and don't let the minions get marked, Jumped on you?, Stun her or silence her and proceed to do your rotation, doing bad agaisnt her? Ask for a gank.
When laning phase ends all you have to do is focus her if she's that fed, buy some wards and make a plan, its not complicated and don't need to have any kind of glasses to discover.
If her damage is high enough then buy some Mr, you're not expected to go glass cannon and survive her dmg without a propper way to lock her in place, even then with some mr you should be doing fine, i rly doubt that is so complicated.
But also you're implying that her Dmg mostly comes from her itemization, a thing that i'm not quite sure about it, for me the threat comes (if any) from the big Base stats on her skills on top of some Decent Bonus ratios
At this moment i wouldn't care if they did to kat what they did to fizz, put her in a unplayable state
Cosnirak2 votes"Mr is not so expensive, even then its not like her poke is gonna kill you alone."
MR is a minimum of 500 gold... Her damage that isn't poke is also magic damage.
"She targeted you for her q? walk away and don't let the minions get marked"
It's not that slow.
"Jumped on you?, Stun her or silence her and proceed to do your rotation"
And if you're one of the many champions without a stun or silence? Or it's a skill shot and she dodges it with shunpo? Yeah it's not that simple.
"doing bad agaisnt her? Ask for a gank."
And if she just shunpos away from the gank or the jg can't come right now or the enemy jg shows up too? Yeah not that simple still.
"When laning phase ends all you have to do is focus her if she's that fed, buy some wards and make a plan, its not complicated and don't need to have any kind of glasses to discover."
Actually it is that complicated. She can go around your wards with shunpo. Your wards can get swept. You can be unable to place good wards because as you try to she kills you. Your plan can fail. Your team mates can fail in all these ways and more. Focusing her is often negated by one shunpo from her or just not always being grouped as 5 (and ALWAYS being grouped as 5 all game is unreasonable).
"If her damage is high enough then buy some Mr, you're not expected to go glass cannon and survive her dmg without a propper way to lock her in place, even then with some mr you should be doing fine, i rly doubt that is so complicated."
One of the main problems with this is that if you're a champion that uses mana you have to buy items for mana, CDR, AP/AD, and now vs Kat also MR. Kat doesn't have to buy mana, CDR, or MR most of the time. Sometimes she has to get one of those in addition to AP, still less than you do though to counter her.
The best counter to Kat is always team work, which is one reason she sees no play at the pro level (the other being the couple actual champion counters to her in lane). The lower ranked you are the worse team work you'll have on your side to counter her. It's not until about diamond rank that people can really be relied upon to reliably counter her with team work. Of course the game is mostly balanced around diamond level play though... so she stays largely unchanged. In the last month in ranked solo Q Kat was the 9th most banned champion and the only one besides Rek'sai to not get nerfed in the last 2-3 patchs (and Rek'sai is likely getting nerfed next patch). I can guarantee you the vast majority of those bans come from Bronze players where her ban rate is probably 90%+.
tl;dr I'm not saying she's OP, I'm saying she's very frustrating to play against, especially for lower ranked players.
bonfire102 votesPlus she can poke back and without ever running out of mana, even if it isn't the strongest poke it's not exactly laughable damage.
Which means she's getting 0 cs considering she keeps harassing you and isn't ranged. So farm and back when you're low and you come out ahead, easy.
Her poke is also very easy to land
well sure, it's targeted, so are a lot of much better spells
and has a decent range.
it has a pretty average if not sub par range for a targeted ability...
she can just roam around and very easily get kills and assist and with just a little gold get the items to do insane damage and suddenly she goes from 0/3/0 to 5/4/4 or something like that.
So can literally every other assassin, the difference is katarina has to actually rely on that happening because she has such a trash laning phase, whereas most other assassins can scrape together at least a meager laning phase. So the counter to this super awesome roam strategy is having a botlane that isn't bad. And it's a counter for every assassin, so this is by no means a trait of katarina's champion design.
No one on your team can go anywhere alone without amazing vision coverage without the possibility of her just popping in and killing them in 1 second.
So everyone on your team will have to play League of Legends O_O? That's what the game is. If you're a carry and you're alone, you better have amazing vision coverage or you're about to die. Maybe that seems too punishing at lower levels of play, but that's what the game is when people know what they're doing. That's not even just true for kat or assassins. If you're carry is walking by an unwarded bush and there's an annie/xerath/yasuo/oriana/syndra/varus they're probably dead too.
Often her damage is so high that Kat kills you before your cc even finishes casting or reaching her. Or she dodges it with shunpo or just because your cc is a skillshot.
Then don't give her the opening to deal damage to you. Katarina is melee, your carries are ranged. You carries can deal damage safely while she is forced to just wait by, effectively making the fight a 4v5. If katarina tries to engage, leave. You're momentary lack of damage is less important than not dieing and giving her a reset. If she engages from a super long distance with flash shunpo, it means she either didnt Q, or is casting Q at her landing point and has to wait for the animation time. That's a significantly long enough time for reaction cc/shields/heals to go off. If you can't react within 0.5 seconds, you shouldn't be playing league.
Being melee means almost nothing because her damage is in her spells and none of them are melee or require auto attacks to do anything.
What are you smoking? 3.5 of her abilities require her to be in range of even the closest targeted spells. Her ult and W have low enough range for warwick Q to hit them. Her shunpo can be cast from afar, but it PUTS her into melee range, so if it did 3000 damage you might have a point, but it's more like 150. Only the first proc of kat Q is ranged, and even that isn't ranged enough to be safe. Try throwing it at a halfway decent frontline alistar, he'll see the animation start and flash pulverize you during the animation time then knock you back into his team.
Kat actually has far more flashes than LeBlanc ever can due to the resets
Well I agree, due to resets. You could take any kit and apply it 5 times over to make it overpowered, no ones arguing that. The point is even if katarina with resets is the strongest champion in the game, a katarina without resets is one of the weakest champions in the game except against poor team comps or poor play.
Cosnirak1 votes"Which means she's getting 0 cs considering she keeps harassing you and isn't ranged. So farm and back when you're low and you come out ahead, easy."
Actually she can easily poke you while CSing with her Q. She can also CS with her other abilities. Backing lets her easily catch up in CS if she's down a little because she doesn't have to back unless you're poking her out, which you probably aren't because shunpo dodges most of it so easy in many matchups.
"well sure, it's targeted, so are a lot of much better spells"
Such as?
"it has a pretty average if not sub par range for a targeted ability... "
Actually due to its ability to bounce to you off minions it's one of the longest range targeted abilities up there with Dark Wind from Fiddlesticks. Pretty much every (non melee) targeted ability in the game has a low range as far as its initial target goes.
"So can literally every other assassin, the difference is katarina has to actually rely on that happening because she has such a trash laning phase, whereas most other assassins can scrape together at least a meager laning phase. So the counter to this super awesome roam strategy is having a botlane that isn't bad. And it's a counter for every assassin, so this is by no means a trait of katarina's champion design."
Her laning phase isn't actually that bad. Also several other assassins have very similar laning phases. You can't just guarantee your bot lane isn't bad. Also her speed (including ability to get boots faster than any mana champ due not needing to buy mana items) is kinda high. She shunpos to get there faster too and is good at diving, so even if they play a little safe she might get them. The mere fact that they have to play safer due to her being in the game is part of her power, though yes that's a common thing among assassins.
"So everyone on your team will have to play League of Legends O_O? That's what the game is. If you're a carry and you're alone, you better have amazing vision coverage or you're about to die."
The key difference is the speed and mobility at which she can get there. VS Syndra or Annie or Xerath your carry can rely on vision over actual walkways to be enough. That's one of the reasons people hate the high mobility many champions have now. High damage champions that can easily and often get over walls create a much higher pressure around the map and increase the amount of vision you need to be safe drastically. Kat's not alone in this for sure but when combined with the rest of her kit it puts her up there with LB and Zed in terms of speed crossing the map over any path and then deleting someone instantly and can still get back out alive.
"Then don't give her the opening to deal damage to you. Katarina is melee, your carries are ranged. You carries can deal damage safely while she is forced to just wait by, effectively making the fight a 4v5. If katarina tries to engage, leave. You're momentary lack of damage is less important than not dieing and giving her a reset. If she engages from a super long distance with flash shunpo, it means she either didnt Q, or is casting Q at her landing point and has to wait for the animation time. That's a significantly long enough time for reaction cc/shields/heals to go off. If you can't react within 0.5 seconds, you shouldn't be playing league."
There's so much wrong with all that where do I begin? Lets see... Melee? Her abilities all have a range, calling her melee is like calling Zed melee, he can kill you easily without ever having to auto attack you so that's just pointless to mention. They might out range her but they don't just have true sight on the whole map 24/7 and can't just choose to never be CCed. Also you can't control what your team mates do. No plays perfect 100% of the time, and Kat capitalizes on even the slightest misstep very hard. Sometimes she gets a speed boost from a team mate too. 0.5 seconds is shorter than the entire east coast of the US's ping, for many of us it's half our ping or less. Even when you have to react you can't always predict where she'll flash or shunpo to and your cc isn't always point-click, isn't always up, isn't always in range, ect. She does so much damage that shields and heals are almost never enough, especially since her ult lessens heals.
"What are you smoking? 3.5 of her abilities require her to be in range of even the closest targeted spells. Her ult and W have low enough range for warwick Q to hit them. Her shunpo can be cast from afar, but it PUTS her into melee range, so if it did 3000 damage you might have a point, but it's more like 150. Only the first proc of kat Q is ranged, and even that isn't ranged enough to be safe. Try throwing it at a halfway decent frontline alistar, he'll see the animation start and flash pulverize you during the animation time then knock you back into his team."
And what if she shunpo's to something behind Alistar when he flashes and then she just deletes the ADC because they can't peel her on their own and their flash is down? You can come up with counters to every single champions actions by throwing in another certain champion (especially with flash up) to deal with it. That doesn't mean what the first champion can do isn't powerful and capable of working most of the time.
Annie can try to stun Kat with her Q and Kat can ult then zhonya's in response and kill 3 people because of the travel time on Annie's Q. That doesn't make Annie underpowered or Kat overpowered on its own. And more importantly this thread isn't about Kat being overpowered. It's about her being frustrating to play against. Even when you beat Kat she's often still frustrating to play against, much more so than most champions.
"Well I agree, due to resets. You could take any kit and apply it 5 times over to make it overpowered, no ones arguing that. The point is even if katarina with resets is the strongest champion in the game, a katarina without resets is one of the weakest champions in the game except against poor team comps or poor play."
While I disagree with your conclusion anyways, the important thing is that Kat can easily get resets, even if she fails. Being able to reset off assists, especially that amount of resetting, is just stupidly annoying. Every champion in the game with a reset can be rather annoying at times due to that reset, Kat is the absolute queen of resets.
bonfire101 votesActually she can easily poke you while CSing with her Q. She can also CS with her other abilities. Backing lets her easily catch up in CS if she's down a little because she doesn't have to back unless you're poking her out, which you probably aren't because shunpo dodges most of it so easy in many matchups.
If she's poking you with Q, she's in range to be poked back, and your spells do more than hers because she has terrible base damages and ratios. If she shunpos to dodge a skillshot, it has a longer cd than any poke spell you just threw out. She also loses all lane pressure because she can neither commit to all ins or retreat from fights/jungler ganks for the next 12 seconds. During this time she should be zoned from attempting to take any cs by your basic kit, which will easily half health her in one rotation of basic spells regardless of your champion. The only other spell she can cs with is W, which is close enough range that you can easily punish if you're actually paying attention to your minion health and where she'll make the attempt.
If she's Csing with Q, as she should be forced to do, she not only isn't harassing you, but she's actively pushing the lane. It's similar to tristana, she can't kill a minion without pushing the wave, which means she can't freeze. Even if you suck at freezing lane, katarina is forced to give you multiple tries by constantly slightly shoving lane.
"well sure, it's targeted, so are a lot of much better spells"
Such as?
Annie Q, Vlad Q+E, Anivia E, Brand E, Malzahar E, Cass E, Kass Q, Kennen mark infused attack, Leblanc Q+R, Swain Q+E, Viktor Q, Teemo Q.
Katarina's poke damage is capped by being manaless, having resets, being multihit, and having the second mark component. It is outclassed in both damage, utility, and CC by the majority of AP carry ranged targeted spells. Even when accounting for the secondary mark damage, which is completely unsafe to go in and proc, Q still provides less damage than many of the spells mentioned above.
"it has a pretty average if not sub par range for a targeted ability... "
Actually due to its ability to bounce to you off minions it's one of the longest range targeted abilities up there with Dark Wind from Fiddlesticks. Pretty much every (non melee) targeted ability in the game has a low range as far as its initial target goes.
So don't stand next to minions... You simply being out of range of your minions forces kat to decide between harass or cs. She can't do both, not with the lane presence any decent midlaner will put on her. Not to mention the fact that only 60% of it's already minimal damage is going to remain by the time it reaches the end of it's bounces.
Her laning phase isn't actually that bad. Also several other assassins have very similar laning phases. You can't just guarantee your bot lane isn't bad. Also her speed (including ability to get boots faster than any mana champ due not needing to buy mana items) is kinda high. She shunpos to get there faster too and is good at diving, so even if they play a little safe she might get them. The mere fact that they have to play safer due to her being in the game is part of her power, though yes that's a common thing among assassins.
Her laning phase is the worst of all assassins and has only 2 winning matchups. The vast majority are heavily in the other midlaner's favor with a few being close to an even skill matchup. Her speed should be irrelevant if you have a single ward between midlane and botlane or just a slight amount of map awareness. Bot lane playing safe isn't a detriment to your team. While they're playing safe and maybe not capitalizing on all they could or missing more cs, katarina is missing cs, experience, tower damage, map control, and vision control by trying to roam and giving up her position mid. Not to mention this all comes with the possibility of a counter gank, which your team could easily set up if she's following the trend of: push in lane - roam bot lane. Kat's risking a huge amount by roaming, especially when she can't rely on going back to a passive farming lane to catch up.
The key difference is the speed and mobility at which she can get there. VS Syndra or Annie or Xerath your carry can rely on vision over actual walkways to be enough. That's one of the reasons people hate the high mobility many champions have now. High damage champions that can easily and often get over walls create a much higher pressure around the map and increase the amount of vision you need to be safe drastically. Kat's not alone in this for sure but when combined with the rest of her kit it puts her up there with LB and Zed in terms of speed crossing the map over any path and then deleting someone instantly and can still get back out alive.
I understand your point if you're talking about her just flashing over a wall in a jungle teamfight to reach your backline. But if that's the case, your team shouldn't be fighting in enclosed spaces with little vision. That's the optimal scenario for katarina and assassins in general. You also shouldn't get caught stuck in a linear path against a rumble or clump up together against an amumu + malphite + oriana team.
But outside this scenario, I don't see how your team would reasonably be caught out in a lane with no vision on either side while a katarina flanks you. If kat is getting behind your team, you have poor vision control. This doesn't mean warding 100% of the map, this means vision should move with your team. Wards should be preemptively placed in a bubble around your team as it advances or retreats, while keeping in mind that any bush that you're about to ward could have a full team in it if you don't already have vision of them.
It also sounds like you're saying katarina uses ward+shunpo to normally traverse the map. This doesn't happen, not to the extent you're making it sound. She isn't a nidalee or a kassadin traversing the map with a short cd jump. She isn't leblanc or fizz or zed who have other defensive options if they are caught in a bad situation after they jump. She isn't a Lee sin or a reksai who are tanky enough to survive a bad situation after they jump. If katarina uses her shunpo to just jump over walls to roam bot lane, she is giving up a 12 second window where she has very little killing power, and even less living potential if any champion besides the support shows up. Again, I'm not talking about her just ward hopping over walls onto your adc or shunpoing to minions in her own lane to be more mobile. I'm addressing what sounds like you claiming her shunpo allows her to traverse the map and create more pressure when her shunpo's realistic potential is contained pretty close to where her targets are. Shee needs to have shunpo up when she's within range of her targets, her entire kit depends on it. She isn't using it for mobility towards her target nearly as much as most other mobile assassins. Not to mention it's also optimal for her to max it last and also she doesn't build cdr items, so her shunpo is still on a 12 second cd until around level 13.
There's so much wrong with all that where do I begin? Lets see... Melee? Her abilities all have a range, calling her melee is like calling Zed melee, he can kill you easily without ever having to auto attack you so that's just pointless to mention.
What? What does being melee have to do with auto attacking or not? That's like saying syndra isn't ranged because she doesn't really auto attack much when rotating through her spells. Zed and Katarina are both melee, this comes with a disadvantage in lane of needing to CS either with abilities, or by putting yourself in danger and taking free harass. I've explained above how kat CSing with her Q is detrimental to her lane control and how W is just as punishable as auto attacking for CS.
They might out range her but they don't just have true sight on the whole map 24/7 and can't just choose to never be CCed.
You don't need vision to know what you don't have vision of. For some reason the default mind set of a lot of players is "I don't have vision of the whole team, I guess I have no information of those other champions". You might not have vision of someone, but that doesn't mean you don't have any information about their position. You don't know where they are, but you do know where they aren't. If you can't see a katarina farming top lane while there are 4 of her teammates pushing down mid, maybe you can make the assumption that she's probably close by to them, maybe in that top side bush that you don't have warded. The point is you shouldn't be forcing fights when you don't have vision, and you shouldn't be baited into fighting and just blindly hoping that the enemy katarina isn't competent. You need to regain position and vision through map control, you can't just fight back and complain about a katarina capitalizing on improper vision when you were aware you had improper vision.
The CC argument is just stupid. If you're getting CCd and you're low enough or squishy enough to die to a katarina, you're certainly low enough or squishy enough to die to any other assassin, ap carry, or fighter. Does katarina snowball more damage off of that kill than the other mentioned categories? Yes. Does that your team would only have lost against the kat? No, every other category has plenty of ways to exploit a 4v5 even if they aren't as strong as a katarina with resets. And this is balanced by the fact that katarina is even weaker than those other categories of champions until she gets that reset. You can see how that would be frustrating at a higher level of play where stupid little mistakes aren't made as often. People complaining about how overpowered a champion is when they get that first reset, and you're sitting there thinking, "How in the hell is anyone giving her an opening for a single reset?" Shutting down katarina in lane, in roaming, and in teamfights is so simple and flowchart, people just don't take the time to learn how to actually play against her and complain to get her nerfed instead because it's easier than actually growing as a player. (ran out of space continued in next reply)
Cosnirak1 votesI skimmed your post. It's quite clear it's still entirely missing the point. A lot of what you're saying are things people can do to TRY to deal with Kat. They aren't things they can do that ALWAYS work and some are even just flat out wrong. And none of it really matters.
Do you know why anyone ever gets kills on anyone? People don't play perfect. Stuff happens all the time that results in the best players in the world getting killed in League. The problem with Kat is that when that happens and it involves her she then usually just instantly does it again to someone else or shunpos away.
She has a 700 range flash on a 12/10.5/9/7.5/6 second base cd. She has no resource bar of any kind. 3 of her 4 abilities are aoe. Merely getting an assist resets all of her basic ability cds and takes 15 seconds off the cd of her already decently low cd ult. These are points of frustration. No one is complaining she's about to take over the LCS and reach 60%+ win rates. The title of this thread is "The frustrating thing about about Katarina" not "Katarina OP" for a good reason.
PiVoRx3 votesLike others said: but what if she kills you before you can even react? Kata can global Mrless squishy targets when she owns only a Ludens Echo.. and also theres that shit called Zhonya Hourglass that makes her unpunishable (ult->zhonya->E out).
No AOE ability should be allowed to deal such a massive damage over short peroid of time with instant cast.
Lucian Shot 2pac1 votesQuite frankly, I dont give a damn what you think. I want to here from the balance team(s), not someone who isn't involved with them. You might say "I can post my opinion", but same here.
Maple Crusader14 votesNah, the most frustrating thing is that she can combo hyper fast. Granted, at least she has to stay in close proximity to do her damage.
Tank0711 votesJust one "thing" - 
. Her ult heals him. Also he isn't just "good" at teamfights, he IS teamfight.
EzJyka5 votesYes. Galio is god.
Troy2426216 votesWhat I hate is a .2 sec combo time. >_>.
SorasMemories9 votes-blink- "You have been slain." .... "whut?"
Jeddy0176 votesLet me fixed that for you. -blink- "ENEMY PENTAKILL!"........"Wait,what?"
TacoTheKitten4 votes[deleted]
Partholonian7 votesYou can't CC it if your team is dead in the first half second.
It seriously needs to deal its damage over more time, so that people can ACTUALLY REACT with the abilities that are supposed to counter it.
TacoTheKitten2 votes[deleted]
Aych Pii5 votesIn LCS teams can coordinate their CC usage and make sure one team member is saving their CC for kat. In pub games, that's difficult as situations arise where the designated Kat ult interrupter might be forced to use their CC or get picked off early, and it's difficult for their team to be aware of that and hold their own CC back. She's a pub stomper because without instantaneous voice communication it's very hard to coordinate around her in the chaos of battle.
rampaging poet1 votesIn addition to what others have said, you can't CC her if the time it takes for her to kill you is less than the cast time of your CC. That usually only happens when she gets ahead, but once she does there is essentially nothing you can do. You can't even splitpush properly because she'll nuke the group of four too quickly for the splitpusher to accomplish anything.
TacoTheKitten1 votes[deleted]
rampaging poet2 votesThe problem with Kat specifically is that she's so good at cleaning up team fights she doesn't need to go 5/0 in laning phase. If she goes something like 1/1/0 with decent CS in lane, one good teamfight can put her up to 4/1/1. That gold infusion gives her more burst, so she can hunt solo targets easier and clean-up teamfights without having to wait for everyone to get low. As soon as your tank's CC is down (because the tank is the only one who could conceivably live long enough to CC her), she can ult into your team with impunity, kill anyone else with CC before they can cast it, and get enough resets to burst down the tank. And if you miraculously manage to shut her down? It doesn't matter because you had to spend so much on it the rest of her team can easily clean up after her.
Any assassin can instagib one or two people when they get ahead. Kat is one of the few who can instagib a whole team once she gets rolling.
Uiru4 votesResets are fundamentally broken and cannot be balanced. Until Riot gets this memo, we will be stuck wasting a ban slot on Katarina or restricting champion pools down to those with instant hard cc.
Rammus Da Turtle3 votesif you are looking to find counter play for her, get a champion with easy to land hard cc like 
YumaS2Astral7 votesMany champions can counter Kat in lane. The problem is that most of them can't counter her during teamfights, which is more important. Most of those champions don't have hard CC, or their hard CC has a delay, or they are so squishy that Katarina can kill them before they are able to land their hard CC.
Aych Pii2 votes
KDragonL2 votesThe problem with Kat is how fast her combo is. She can kill your squishies in the time it takes for Cho to silence her.
Hard Penetrator2 votesWould be nice if they bring talon channel break on E. I don't understand why Kassa ranged Q can do it after he lost his silence and Talon melle blink that puts you out of the position can't.
Shroom Junkie1 votesbase damages ftw?
YumaS2Astral8 votesKatarina's base damages are actually very mediocre when separated. However, the combination of all her spells has insane base damage. Combine this with the fact that the animation speed of her spells is extremely fast, as well as her passive, and you have a champion who can do a lot of damage even without many items.