New Dark Harvest: Awful + Less Skillful + Different Identity

LaughingStapler·10/24/2018, 11:12:01 PM·23 votes·8,531 views
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The new design is just terrible for people who wanted DH for its stacking fantasy scenario (with the weaker early game that entails). This is just a brainless rune now. You don't have to consider how you'll path to maximize stacks in jungle, about how to position in teamfights to pick up that critical soul and snowball through the fight etc. It becomes just another "more damage for your damage" rune with no real thinking about how to optimize it. You just go in to burst as usual and then hope to proc. it.

The old DH had actual strategy behind optimizing the stacking and positioning in fights to utilize it (even small things like backing next to a cannon that will die under turret etc.). It's a rewarding design and gives junglers something for more pathing and late game oriented play styles. It's one of the few times that junglers can actually play for more late game power without totally sabotaging the team with picks like Amumu or Yi.

The new one is just basically always better on laners for stacking and is NOT AT ALL THE SAME IDENTITY! It doesn't even deserve the same name because it sure as hell isn't the same rune. You can make a new one if you want but don't ruin DH and turn it into this lame and less versatile version. The new one is also far more niche. I don't know why it's even being considered. I can see Kha liking this but not everyone who wants DH has strong up front burst to get someone below 50% HP and there isn't even an alternative stacking mechanism outside of that.

I don't think picking up the souls should change in any way. It's the best part of this rune and a mini-game that involves thinking on multiple fronts. Don't turn a good design into something so uninspired. I still miss the Smite buffs and this will be yet another blow.

34 Comments

Shablagoo10/25/2018, 12:25:36 AM19 votes

Lol sure, all you had to do was choose some one with amazing clearing and then oneshot people with one auto. Graves? MF? Kha? All skillfull with this rune? Are you kidding me. This new change hasnt adding anymore skill expression. The only skill was it was weak early, but that doesnt matter when you play all those three who dominate early anyway.

iiGazeii10/24/2018, 11:44:55 PM8 votes

If you are such a god at positioning that you actually benefit from the nuances of picking up souls, just imagine how good you'll be now that you don't have to worry about playing that little mini-game and can focus on positioning to avoid damage while still getting extra damage out of your rune.

Dark Harvest isn't just for junglers. It shouldn't only scale well when you have "optimal jungle pathing" and "high skill positioning". The new Dark Harvest will be more accessible to other lanes and won't let you chunk champions (and towers) for nothing more than a cannon dying nearby. I'd argue that gearing the rune towards finishing off players fits more closely with the concept of Dark Harvest, rather than just another up-front damage rune, and being in position to gank and counter-gank so you can harvest as many souls as possible without falling behind on farm takes more skill than pathing and farming it from camps. . Anything that encourages you to interact with other players will always have a higher skill ceiling than something that encourages you to passively farm.

If you want burst, go Electrocute or Hail of Blades, depending on your champ. If you want a hard engage, go Predator. If you want stacking damage that lets you carry teamfights in the late game, going Dark Harvest will still let you do that.

Elite4Runner10/24/2018, 11:57:26 PM5 votes

It simply isn't a jungle keystone anymore.

Laners now have more opportunity to gain stacks than junglers, which, IMO, is stupid.

Laners - You're in lane and the enemy gets poked or chunked under 50% ... you apply damage to them in any way and you proc it and get a stack.

Junglers - You have to go to a lane where the champion is in a position where you are even able to apply damage to them without them just walking, or even flashing away first. Then you have to either force them below 50% health, or hope that your laner has already got them below 50%.

IF YOU CAN'T DO THIS, .. YOU'RE LITERALLY WASTING TIME AND OPPORTUNITIES TO SCALE.

Full Brain10/25/2018, 3:30:42 AM5 votes

Take the only jungle oriented keystone and turn it into one for laners; makes Rito sense. Clearly the laners didn't have enough options with the 7 or so damage keystones already designed for them.

Daddy Ants10/25/2018, 3:35:27 PM3 votes

Nothing can be less skillful than the current Dark Harvest.

Farm -> Click enemy late game and 1 shot them.

Śhunpo10/25/2018, 1:32:47 AM3 votes

Just remove Dark Harvest. I'm sick of them keeping this whole infinitely stacking bs around, what, with Feral Flare, Devourer and now this. If you're going to remove the previous two at least have the decency to not bring the concept back.

Fear the Kayn10/25/2018, 7:14:20 PM2 votes

I don't quite get why it needed a change in the first place. It was only really popular because electrocute was overnerfed and most of the other runes just don't make sense for assassins.

Phlumph10/25/2018, 11:11:31 PM2 votes

Tbh if dark harvest gets some wild change like this I may just be done with League. Dark Harvest Sona is currently the only thing keeping me interested in this game. Early game is absolute hell but that late game is some of the most fun I’ve ever had in league, and people’s reactions to a Sona hard carry are absolutely priceless. Getting to your late game power spike as dark harvest Sona turns games from boring snowball feats to each game being an individual journey almost.

Dark harvest is becoming a problem because electrocute was nerfed for jungle. Maybe the domination tree in general is a problem. But please don’t nerf dark harvest like this, it’s literally the only thing I have left on Sona after she got horrendous nerfs early season and indirect nerfs for the rest of the season.

Marcus Metellus11/27/2018, 3:40:22 PM1 votes

well actually its not a "skill proving" platform, its a game to have fun and we want op things like this to have more fun and honestly, if you don't like it, you can gtfo here and go play fortnite to prove your skills, and also your mind set put the game in this position where a lot of players are quiting the game, cus the admins actaully listen people like you and turn op champs into garbage skill champs like katarina, and therefore the game is less fun cus fckers like you, why not understanding no need to get all serious lol main thing is fun, if your fun is getting ruined by skill, you shouldn't play pc games, you should get out there, and play real life chess tournuments where its all about skills.

Jerry SeinfeId10/25/2018, 12:39:47 PM1 votes

It's not dark harvest and that's my biggest issue with it. If they said we'll replace Dark harvest with rune X i'd have been pissed too but atleast i wouldn't have to look at it's store brand equivalent.

Sex With Annie10/25/2018, 3:51:23 PM1 votes

isn't every rune brainless? They're mostly just "do what you usually do to do it more effectively." Are you shielding? more shields! Are you auto-attacking? more damage for auto-attacking.

Daddy Ants10/25/2018, 11:17:00 PM1 votes

Aery is still insanely good on Sona.

mack911210/31/2018, 11:58:02 PM1 votes

I'm pretty sure the old dark harvest just promotes unhealthy gameplay. Kha , graves , shaco , all come to mind.

Zechmeister11/22/2018, 1:01:39 AM1 votes

They ruined ARAM gameplay with the new stacking making mages more powerful..... This new mechanic makes melee hard to do anything in aram with harvest anymore.....Might as well just leave the game if u get melee harvest is now a joke no skill and mages it easier for veigar r to 1 shot u now at 90% hp.. since harvest applies when he ults and does more then half ur hp not to mention any mage is op now Only on aram = 100% busted no mage = loss

Marcus Metellus11/27/2018, 3:29:10 PM1 votes

stop this "skill based" maddness dude, people don't have a life to develop some stupid game skills, we just wanna log-in, have fun, chill out and gtfo the game dude this stupid kids who crying about "skills" are probably loosers in real life lol