It's amazing how I gotta work hard to do dmg, then I see ADC's right click for 600 crit.

option paralysis··151 votes·6,305 views

Like what am I supposed to do against 80% crit from FUCKING 600 RANGE++ ? Build 6 randuins just not to die ? I cannot stand when someone right clicks me for 600 per fucking AA with a billion attack speed and they have their pet support to make them tanky too. I don't get it. I really don't. I sure got outplayed because I got rightclicked 3 times for 2k dmg, god damn you got me. Your bot lane loses, feeds the enemy adc, congrats now you're playing 3v5 vs. an unkillable enemy bot lane, have fun.

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Kaìju48 votes

You've clearly not tried to play team reliant immobile carries like Ashe in low elo where nobody gives a fuck about their adc.

Rainfall8 votes

still better than most mages,you do your full combo for 50% of the adcs hp then the adc just turns and kills you in 3 autoattacks. where are the good old days when oriana landed a Q-W-R in 5 people and 3 just died instantly at 26 minutes.

Aimléss22 votes

What ADC kills someone in 3 autos at 26 minutes??? I think I'm more likely to find an Oriana one shotting with her rotation at 26 minutes than an ADC...

How do you people even get this bias? This must be how political parties are formed...

Thryale17 votes

at 26 min? pretty much any adc that scales off of crit (cait, vayne, etc) can pretty easily 3-4 shot you at 26 min min. cuz in most league games, the enemy is knocking on yer base doors around that time and an ADC's core build is so friggin cheap, they have all the items they need.

TeCoolMage3 votes

Definitely not Ashe who needs her Q stacks first but ones like Draven vs a squishy mage. Very few cases but it is possible under the right circumstance

SpecterVonBaren3 votes

I dunno, I'm in Diamond V and aside from me (The support) no one gives a shit about our ADC on my team.

Scary Door40 votes

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Like what am I supposed to do against 80% crit from FUCKING 600 RANGE++ ? Build 6 randuins just not to die ? I cannot stand when someone right clicks me for 600 per fucking AA with a billion attack speed and they have their pet support to make them tanky too. I don't get it. I really don't. I sure got outplayed because I got rightclicked 3 times for 2k dmg, god damn you got me. Your bot lane loses, feeds the enemy adc, congrats now you're playing 3v5 vs. an unkillable enemy bot lane, have fun.

League has a replay system, let's see your evidence of this phenomenon. I'm guessing you'll tell me that you don't know how to post a replay, but don't worry, I'll walk you through it step by step... you could even email it to me and I'll post it for you.

However, I already know what I'll see. The replay will show a combination of:

  • You being caught out of position
  • The ADC had significantly more farm/kills than you did
  • You had no defensive items
  • A legitimate skill disparity which leads to...
  • A lack of understanding of game mechanics.

Is that about right? I mean it couldn't be that, right? It's gotta be that another champion or class is just totally broken and you did nothing wrong at all... why if it weren't for those damned adcs you would likely be Master Tier minimally, right?

option paralysis8 votes

[{quoted}](name=Scary Door,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=eNQGnAIN,comment-id=0009,timestamp=2017-11-16T14:50:01.168+0000)

League has a replay system, let's see your evidence of this phenomenon. I'm guessing you'll tell me that you don't know how to post a replay, but don't worry, I'll walk you through it step by step... you could even email it to me and I'll post it for you.

However, I already know what I'll see. The replay will show a combination of:

  • You being caught out of position
  • The ADC had significantly more farm/kills than you did
  • You had no defensive items
  • A legitimate skill disparity which leads to...
  • A lack of understanding of game mechanics.

Is that about right? I mean it couldn't be that, right? It's gotta be that another champion or class is just totally broken and you did nothing wrong at all... why if it weren't for those damned adcs you would likely be Master Tier minimally, right?

holy hell, I hate people that write like you. dont fucking condescend. I tried posting replay multiple times, but my pc is trash and its laggy as shit. I peaked at diamond 2 this season, Id say I know a little bit about the game. I had 3k hp with zhonyas and xayah could literally press W and kill me with 3-4 AAs under 2 secs. We didnt get caught out, its just nobody was able to touch her cuz karma supp and the little fact she can kill our entire team with right clicks. Cuz crits are a fun mechanic. The game always feels so frustrating when bot loses, not like any other lane, because they do so much dmg by rightclicking from range. Excuse me for having delays on my abilities, I'll just wait while youre auto attacking me with 80% crit and life stealing off of me while also having a support spam shields and heals on you.

Scary Door30 votes

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holy hell, I hate people that write like you.

You mean people that use hyperbole to make a point but deny the facts when presented to them? Oh wait, that's what you did.

I tried posting replay multiple times, but my pc is trash and its laggy as shit.

Ahh, so we're going with the "my pc sucks" defense for why you can't post the replay which would completely "prove" your case---or as I believe it to be, would prove MY point that you misplayed it.

But, let's take what you said at face value, if your pc is that bad then that could explain why your performance was poor, but then I think "wait didn't he say something about being Diamond II?"

I peaked at diamond 2 this season,

Oh, he did say that... now I'm even more puzzled.

I'd say I know a little bit about the game.

You very well might, but when you make unsubstantiated claims such as... "I cannot stand when someone right clicks me for 600 per fucking AA with a billion attack speed and they have their pet support to make them tanky too." I certainly have to question that knowledge.

Not only is that unsubstantiated, but also denotes that you're putting the game into a vacuum, where was your team? What were the circumstances? There's context to these things.

I find, however, that in 90% of these posts, the person in question was caught out or otherwise fucked up.

I had 3k hp with zhonyas and xayah could literally press W and kill me with 3-4 AAs under 2 secs.

That math doesn't quite add up.

We didnt get caught out, its just nobody was able to touch her cuz karma supp and the little fact she can kill our entire team with right clicks.

Well, then I guess Xayah must have a 100% win rate, since no one can touch her and she is invincible if I'm to read this post correctly. But, of course, she has a sub 50% (48.5% to be precise) win rate in actuality and I just played against one yesterday as Brand support and her game was not a pleasant one I can tell you that.

Cuz crits are a fun mechanic.

They are a necessary mechanic. The game would have to be completely rebalanced if there were no crits.

The game always feels so frustrating when bot loses,

I will, one-hundred percent, agree with this statement. When bot loses it certainly seems to hurt more because that's two-fifths of the team comp that is now behind. So naturally, and mathematically, it hurts more when they lose. Of course, you have a responsibility to help insure against that happening. Since there is no replay, I cannot substantiate what you may have done to contribute to the cause... and you'll forgive me if I don't take your word for it, it's nothing personal, I just assume everyone on the Gameplay section lies/misrepresents when discussing what happened in their game until I am shown otherwise.

Excuse me for having delays on my abilities, I'll just wait while youre auto attacking me with 80% crit and life stealing off of me while also having a support spam shields and heals on you.

And that's why you don't fight them alone. You have someone to dive the back line, you avoid their tanks/bruisers and position yourself properly to go in with your diver/tank/bruiser/etc. I mean, if you did get to Diamond II by yourself then you already know these things and you're simply just venting... which is understandable, we all have things that frustrate us in the game, but it doesn't do anyone any good to knowingly misrepresent situations when you know better.

MasterfulPyro4 votes

Is that the... omaywa mu shinduru?

ModAcademy Kayn5 votes

NANI!?!

Frontline Fury37 votes

Yeah its almost as if adcs only build damage items or something

Muzét71 votes

Mages don't build only damage after all.

Jerry SeinfeId10 votes

and they can often do 600 dmg with one spell if not more so what's the problem?

Very Hard Engage58 votes

skill shot, travel time, potential to "miss" (dodge/react), down time/ on cooldown where you just get shredded.

what if adcs only had an 85% chance to hit someone of the same level.

what if adcs had to build a dead stat like mana instead of raw damage.

Jerry SeinfeId11 votes

yes, and because it's dodgable/has cd it's often: AOE, CC, longer range, higher damage, self buffing/shielding.

Most skillshot mages outrange adc, and some mages like ryze/Annie/cass have point and click too.

Very Hard Engage23 votes

the whole argument goes out the window once you bring in statistics, adcs deal on average 5-10k more than the AoE based mages.

the only 2 note worthy mages being karthus and ziggs.

you can attribute it to reliability or the fact that a mage is more likely to 100-0 and end the fight whereas adcs fail to chase or score picks.

but ultimately people dont get into value ball 5 man stacks for the mage to overtake the adc in damage output. realistically mages are hitting 1 and at most 2 targets at a time.

the mage could, and those are the ori pentakills, but it just doesn't happen.

Jerry SeinfeId7 votes

lux can snipe 100-0 someone at a longer range than most adc can even start doing dmg. Aside from that she also places an aoe slow, roots up to 2 ppl and her rainbow of death is aoe.

And that's her normal most basic combo. So yes the counter play to that is "dodge it".

The only ones who have a legitimate reason to complain are melee's but they can get fucked by either class. mages even function better at beating fighters because they can just cc them so they can't use their gapclosers.

And they in turn are given Gapclosers, base stats, sustain or some form of protection.

Even bursting down 1 or 2 ppl will turn the fight in your favour.

edit: oh and i often top the dmg charts when playing Karthus/teemo both are ap though i play AP AS teemo.

Very Hard Engage48 votes

you keep bringing up potential, i keep referencing what actually happens in a game.

theoretically, nunu is downright busted and 100-0's your whole team every 50seconds.

AirKingNeo3 votes

When you bring in stats, you find mages are perfectly fine how they are.

Sewer Side3 votes

It wasn't like Taliyah, Orianna, Syndra were highly contested picks at Worlds. Three very different types of mages.

Nah, mages are garbo tho - Boards

NineTailedMystic4 votes

yep those 3 mages. no other AP.

Strawberrycocoa9 votes

what if adcs only had an 85% chance to hit someone of the same level.

BRING DODGE BACK!

AirKingNeo2 votes

They build quite a bit of defense and HP.

Muzét4 votes

defense

item 3026 item 3139

HP

item 3071 item 3078 item 3072's Overshield.

And since I named BT. Mages don't have spellvamp anymore whereas Marksmen do play with life steal that add HP in a different way (through sustain)

Nyarlathοtep29 votes

Dont bother dude. Riot wants adc to have no counterplay. AND NO bursting them, cc them etc IS NOT ENOUGH. They have more than enough shields, lifesteal ga and now EVEN FKING STASIS that bursting them isnt possible. Really just forget it riot will never do anything about the high reliable dmg that adc can output.

Executioner5 votes

Im laughing.

Thefrostyviking5 votes

Stasis?

Who the fk picks stasis on a marksman? The stopwatch breaks after one use and it basically becomes dead weight until you build a GA.

Which you might not even want every time.

I´d only ever do it if i saw enemy team pick some dive heavy comp or Zed.

Thilmer6 votes

{quoted}

Stasis?

Who the fk picks stasis on a marksman?

LOOOOOOOL.

Just take a look at this.

After reading two trillion comments about "how broken is the Zhonyas passive", now ADCs can finally get their hands on this "hiper-broken-life-saving-stasis".

What is happening? No ADC on earth wants to have stasis. Because stasis it's actually a total piece of shit that does nothing 99% of the time. You only want stasis too keep saying that Zhonya is a great ítem that makes mages awesome... something that has been totally false... for at least three seasons now.

Hensetsu21 votes

The grass is always greener on the other side.

You should main ADC.

You'll start checking your death recaps seeing "2000 damage in 1.2 seconds".

Then you'll know.

But until you main ADC, you don't understand.

Why do I say this? Because it was the same with me.

HalcyonDweller9 votes

Really the problem is damage in general. Being OP is not excused by having your counter's be OP too. Both need to be nerfed. Damage-creep is real this preseason. Riot needs to take action about it.

Thefrostyviking1 votes

You sir, i truly quite admire you for daring to write to the marksmen's defense.

But admittedly as a occasional marksman player i must say that some of them are quite bonkers at the moment.

Vayne,Twitch and Mf are all monstrously powerful if played well.

They could stand some toning down without any drastic drop in winrate happening. x)

HarrowR1 votes

IF played well,you've said it yourself,any champion is powerful if played well,you want to tell me Zed,Yasuo,Talon,Syndra,Katarina,Maokai,Darius etc arent bonkers when played well?

Thefrostyviking3 votes

Some champs just need to be played well, other need to be played extremely well to be good to succeed against a experienced opponent.

Zed would be once such champ, kat as well.

However it's my honest belief that Twitch, Vayne and MF are currently too strong and they are doing more than they should at certain times x)

Like i on MF at lvl 4-5 was able to chunk a kog maw for somewhere between 1/4rd to 1/3rd of his health in a single Q.

It was nearly painful to watch x)

And i don't think it's really bad when a mage has a lot of power in their skillshots, nor do i think it's bad if a powerful ultimate requires a bit of a setup to really work.

Ori ulti etc.

But hence the issue, all those champs you listed can often be shutdown fairly easily, but a fed enemy botlane, particularly any pairing of support+ Twitch/vayne is just extremely hard to deal with many times.

Vayne with new masteries can just go crit early, get lifesteal from runes, and then absolutely wreck anything at lvl 6.

Twitch does bend over in lane against most, but what does that help later when he pops out behind your team and fires off 3 autos, killing or nearly killing the entire backline before anyone even realizes he's there?

So i think MF's laning is too strong at the moment, Twitch's alright and Vayne is too hard to bully.

MF's post laning is alright, Twitch´s as long as he didn't get crapped on is a ticking timebomb and Vayne is a monster nearly by default as long as she didn't get crapped on.

I think there are issue´s here :8

Penns20 votes

I like it, 300 AP Fizz W after 2 second delay, on 8-5 second cooldown and melee = 540 damage 170 AD crit, instantly, around 0.5 second cooldown and ranged = 430 damage, 750 if you proc Shiv :)

notice me Sin pi17 votes

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and they have their pet support to make them tanky too.

if it's 1vs2, u should expect to lose tbh. That is not really a major problem. But it's when ADCs are bursting down assassins 1vs1 with autos the class becomes a problem

Smitty Manjensen12 votes

Can you people stop? Go check statistics, you will see that most adcs are weaker now, only a select few have still high win rates, assassins and tanks with support, dominate more, and have higher win rates overall.

Thewannabegamer12 votes

Nevermind that electrocute factors in lethality now so the counter to adc's is stronger than ever. I mean ffs if you feed any damage dealer they're going to delete your team unless you have someone equally as fed.

HalcyonDweller3 votes

I concur. This is a terrible trend for league to be following.

Here's hoping that Riot re-balances snowballing or damage-creep or both.

DuskDaUmbreon10 votes

Have you ever tried waiting until the support's spells and items are on cooldown? I mean, almost every assassin and mage has more than enough damage to kill an ADC 2-3 times over within about 5 seconds right now.

I mean, almost every tank can easily 1v1 an ADC before the ADC has lifesteal. And then mages and assassins can still blow them up easily. Just try not missing everything that isn't point and click. :P

Spicy Rice9 votes

You are assuming that people other than assassins/mages are going to make the supp use all their spells and items.

You are assuming incorrectly

Aimléss3 votes

This is a team game, you're not gonna win everything. If no one else on your team has any idea how to damage the ADC but you, you're likely gonna lose. Same if no one on your team has any idea how to peel for you as an ADC, you're gonna lose also.

Swarovsko9 votes

It's amazing when as Xerath you're aiming and hitting all your skillshots but the enemy adc gets full hp with item 3072 simply by RIGHTCLICKING.

Alimentateur7 votes

50% crit cait does easy 2k in 1 shot

DuskDaUmbreon10 votes

To what? A minion? On a headshot? After landing her E? With RFC charged?

No champion is taking that much from a shot from Cait, unless she just went almost full lethality to nuke champions.

ChompyWulf2 votes

I wonder how much damage a headshot critical with triple Fire drake buffs, Elder, Baron, and lethality built Caitlyn would do.

Mr Right Click7 votes

If all of you guys think ADC is so easy, just main ADC and you'll be challenger right?

Alüe1 votes

Played ezreal for first time in ranked and can confirm adc is braindead easy.

HarrowR3 votes

Ezrea is literally the safest ADC,only one that comes close to his safety is Tristana,go play Ashe,Jinx,Kog Maw,Sivir,and get a bad support vs a fed Assassin or just anyone that can dive you and you have no escape and see how braindead easy it is

Paper14 votes

Sounds like you're angry that you get KOed when you willingly take three punches to the face from a boxer.

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