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After having played Yorick only 3 times.

Guy Fox Teemo··4 votes·887 views

I can already say he's pretty terrible tbh. His Minons die extremely easy; They do a lot of damage but are almost 100% useless if you don't land your E. Added onto the fact that it takes like 20 seconds to get them up, having to have to waste several Q's on minons for last hits. Using up mana and making you vulnerable for trades. Then if you want to go in, you have to land your E, which is really hard to hit, if you by some miracle land it. Your 90% of the time not in range to follow up on your minons because your W has to short of Range.

The only times you have good trades are when your ult is up, since you can continually spawn your little minons , letting you do constant dps, instead of having random spurts of damage, that can never finish off your opponent. Now Yorick would be a GREAT split pusher, that could be his niche in the game, Buuuuuut he has no escape, is slow, relatively squishy and easy to catch out. Also being bad a trading.

My suggestion for buffs would be to Lower his CDS on Q and R, increase the range on W a bit, and give his Minons more healthy early on. His problems are simply he can never finish what he's trying to do, anyone he trys to kill, he has to commit everything, ult, flash, cds , etc. But even then he's easy to run away from since he doesn't do enough damage alone to burst you down before you simply slow him and walk away.

Maybe I'm just playing him wrong, (I tried different builds in all games, doing terrible in each one, partly because of reallllly bad mistakes, but most them shouldn't have been as bad with any other champion)

But he really does look like he could use some help. At least even a bit.

45 Comments

Joseph Gladstone6 votes

3 times.

Guy Fox Teemo2 votes

Yes after 3 times. He isn't a very complicated champion and his play style isn't very hard to figure out. He's not like Azir who requires shit ton of practice, he isn't mechanically hard either. He's just bad. And I explain why, look at any person whos played him so far on youtube and all of them say he's pretty terrible (notably pants are dragon who is challenger btw)

Joseph Gladstone1 votes

ive played him a few times, hes pretty good

Guy Fox Teemo2 votes

after having played him even mote after this post. Still pretty terrible

Joseph Gladstone1 votes

nah

Karunamon2 votes

It seems like his cooldowns take ages too. You need to realistically last hit 3 Qs, that means you're waiting at least 20 seconds (probably more like 25-30 to get the damage lined up so you get the LH) at early levels, just to spawn 3 minions that die extremely fast.

If you want the 4th minion, it appears you have to wait for Awakening to deactivate before you can bash the last minion over the head, which means getting the whole 4 minion team takes closer to a full minute.

Further, towers seem to love your R and will focus fire it above all the regular minions, which makes the split pushing utility very limited at best.

BLACK REALM GOD1 votes

order of importance - siege - walkers - maiden - minions.

BeatzBoyFTW2 votes

Why do I always see this shit everytime a rework comes by......

Jalkan1 votes

you can already say you suck at yorick

LitAF1 votes

His E is not hard to hit the hitbox on that thing is freaking huge lmao git gud

MorgManBasher1 votes

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His E is not hard to hit the hitbox on that thing is freaking huge lmao git gud

If you can't dodge yorrick e, you are hot garbage....like yorrick. Yorrick is hot garbage.

Requiemsfire1 votes

He's not that bad, he does really well at what he was designed to do and that's splitpush. The main issue I have is that he is too easily countered by mobility and is overly reliant on landing his E to have real threat in lane.

OneMustFall1 votes

I've played him a few games and I got S+ 4 games in a row. I think he's awesome, he's got decent power early and hits a nice mid-game power spike and then transitions into an unkillable tank late game. His CC takes skill to land and is rewarding when you do land it. He's got great split pushing ability and with his ult can mow down towers. Once you get TF, you can 1v2 quite easily just with your Q, E and minions. The only thing I think needs some work is his ult, it's too unreliable. Sometimes it'll go right for your target and beast on them, other times it just sits there and does nothing. Would be nice if you had a little more control over your ult honestly.

Guy Fox Teemo2 votes

You're also bronze and playing against incredibly new players.... Not to discredit you, but even AD soraka top would do well in that ELO :L.

OneMustFall1 votes

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You're also bronze and playing against incredibly new players.... Not to discredit you, but even AD soraka top would do well in that ELO :L.

Well I'm playing mostly against silver players and I don't think there's a huge skill gap between that and Plat V but you're entitled to think what you want. Until you get to Diamond 2 though, anything works in any elo so seems like you just aren't playing him correctly.

Guy Fox Teemo1 votes

That's 3 tiers; Thats pretty big skill cap lol. Ignorance at its finest

OneMustFall1 votes

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That's 3 tiers; Thats pretty big skill cap lol. Ignorance at its finest

Ahh another boosted Plat V player...

ROFL

Guy Fox Teemo1 votes

Not boosted? Idk how people just assume that anyone in Plat V is boosted lol. But anyways thats irrelevant to the fact that a Plat player vs a Bronze player is pretty big skill gap. Like really big.

OneMustFall1 votes

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Not boosted? Idk how people just assume that anyone in Plat V is boosted lol. But anyways thats irrelevant to the fact that a Plat player vs a Bronze player is pretty big skill gap. Like really big.

Plat V is trash. You can't talk about skill until you're at least above Diamond V. Then talk about how you're on a different level and how champions don't work at your elo.

Guy Fox Teemo1 votes

But your in bronze.... If its so easy, why haven't you gotten out of it? Obviously everyone else is trash but your rite? Elo hell holdin ya down?

Or just a ignorant person who can't comprehend that its there fault they can't climb lol.

OneMustFall1 votes

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But your in bronze.... If its so easy, why haven't you gotten out of it? Obviously everyone else is trash but your rite? Elo hell holdin ya down?

Or just a ignorant person who can't comprehend that its there fault they can't climb lol.

I have gotten out of Bronze many times before I refreshed this account this season. I think it's hilarious you couldn't respond with any points to what I said and instead looked me up and went "HURRR DURR ONLY WORKS IN BRONZE".

I don't blame other people for my mistakes and I also don't act like "Shiny Silver" is the shit but I'm glad you feel you're on some different level at Plat V. The elo booster's dream. lmao

Guy Fox Teemo1 votes

Because none of your points are valid.... Due to being in the lowest possible ELO. I don't want to completely discredit it. But Bronze is almost a completely different game from any other ELO.

People lack mechanics, strategy, knowledge, and basic things about the game etc. So to get an S+ (which is insanely easy on Yorick since the average score is like 0 and 5...., you get an S from just going 6/3/2)

But putting you being in Bronze aside.

He is:

1: Not super tanky and has pretty shit sustain past lvl 6. As its flat and doesn't scale. 2: His CC doesn't take skill to land, it takes the other person being stupid to land. You can hit away his wall with 2 hits relatively quickly , with anybody who has an AA reset (Which is like every single top laner in the game) and his E is really easy to dodge. Its more so the other person being stupid then you being good at landing it. 3: No, he can't really 1v2 lol 90% of the time, maybe with his ult if he's fed, tanky and has a damage item already. But no most the time your just going to shit on him.

"Gotten out of Bronze many times before" You should get out of bronze within 10-20 games. It is literally the easiest shit to get out of you. I don't understand why the lowest tier players can't just admit they're bad at the game. So they can improve. You are bad at the game if you are in Bronze, period. It is the worst of the worst ELO.

I recommend watching this Master Tier Players' video on it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8BtklaSWl0

D1rtFarmer1 votes

i dont know, ive played him like 8 times with about 5 S's not s- or anything ive only received an S. but this feedback makes me feel better.. now i know hes prob not OP.

MorgManBasher1 votes

They need to make it so his E isn't garbage and actually landable on decent players. It's laughably easy to dodge. Other than that the ult cooldown needs looked at because 150 seconds on a level 1 ult that doesn't even start the cooldown till it dies is absurd.

Unstoppable Monk1 votes

#In this thread, people who suck at Yorick complain about Yorick weaknesses to his kit.

To this day, they still follow the high elo rune/masteries/summoners that are completely wrong.

Ralanr1 votes

Trying to get 3 Q's for 3 graves is frustrating both early and late.

Early because your own minions can last hit before your Q is up, leaving to frustrations (course I could just suck at CSing). Late game your own allies will kill them off before you can make graves.

I think if his minions were a bit more durable and had a little less damage than it could work.

Also, how do you control the Maiden of the mists on a Mac? I can't get her to splitpush alone.

Edit: his E is also frustrating to hit.

redfeenix1 votes

Yorick does a lot of dmg with his ult. No way reducing his q cooldown is a good or balanced idea.

Guy Fox Teemo1 votes

Uh, Yoricks Ult has a 150 second CD though, that doesn't go on CD till its dead... So like 180 seconds if it stays alive for at least 30 seconds.

So its perfectly balanced idea that he have some relevant damage , instead of having to rely on a super long CD ult thats unreliable 90% of the time since it does w/e the fk it wants.

Paroe1 votes

doesnt yoricks Q also mark? Also... everything bad about yorick also applies to malzahar, pet-wise.

Guy Fox Teemo1 votes

No his Q doesn't, and Malzahars Minons are tankier then that of Yoricks; They can also be summoned whenever, since you don't have to set up 3 graves around you just so you can use them, AND for them to follow the enemy you just have to click E on them...

Meep Man1 votes

I don't know what to say. I find his Mist Walkers to be expendable damage units that distract the enemy rather than being your main DPS source. However, they deal enough damage to force the enemy to kill them.

doubleguac1 votes

I don't think he's bad.

He has pretty good scaling across the board. I think he really powers up moving into mid game. Probably falls off a bit in the very late game, but that's true of virtually every juggernaut/bruiser.

His 5v5 team fighting isn't necessarily amazing, but his skirmishing is pretty strong if he has his ult up.

He has quite a bit of utility. At max rank, with 40% CDR, his E and W both have very low cooldowns.

And then, obviously, there's his pushing power. Which is second to none.

People underestimate that last point. Especially as people get better at Yorick, I think you will see how powerful it really is. It makes his team extremely snowbally, since they can take towers/inhibs/objectives so quickly after a team fight win.

So, I doubt he will necessarily be a strong solo-carry champion. But if your team gains a lead at any point in the game, Yorick can push it harder than pretty much anyone else.

LordGeovanni1 votes

As some one who played yorick before his rework the champion formelry known as yorick does not feel satasfying or impactful to play. while safer champions with more range and has high damage minions can simplity drop their minions use their targeted e walk away and watch their enemy die. can we revert the rework so that i can feel like im doing something please. just like taric gave him a gimick but destroyed everything the champion was good at doing before the rework

BLACK REALM GOD1 votes

you're not farming enough dragons then

LordGeovanni1 votes

I agree but when the top laner has to come from to and start half of the dragons hp for anyone to even consider comming to help even if only to steal the last hit those are the kinds of games i get into and supports to usless i cant even start the dragon without being chunked to hell

BLACK REALM GOD1 votes

have you played nunu? nunu is for you my friend. nunu has a built in smite.

EDIT

let me explain - you're not building enough damage on your yorick. you cant just go for all hp or all armor etc. you need a little bit of power to scare your enemies. i saw a video where a guy made his E 1 shot most low hp enemies. then there's his Q which can also be built to 1 shot MOST low level enemies. the reason i said you need more dragons is because i've been playing yorick in the jungle a lot. it was a side joke for myself the same as the nunu comment because i played a ranked match recently and forgot smite as nunu. i think we won that game actually but i cant remember.

all that aside - your jungler needs to make sure to take drakes and to take herald and give you herald. if you build yorick in a way that grants him enough damage to kill someone - whether it's magic damage or physical doesnt matter - you'll have a better time in lane no matter where you show up.

i think before old yorick had a Q that was attack damage a W that was magic damage an E that was attack damage and an R that was hp and ability power. new yorick is about the same. q is attack damage, w is nothing, e is ability power, r is hp and attack damage. most of his stats scale off of attack damage now just like before. hp is only good for his passive and his maiden. besides that you need it to take hits. you still have a basic attack buff, a slow, a giant minion - only now it doesnt act like mordekaisers minion, his heal is now in his shovel instead of his E which used to drop a minion right on top of the opponent and eat their health, his passive i cant remember for the life of me, but obviously that has changed. he's way way way more powerful now. he's like draculas assistant punching bag that never dies no matter how much dracula takes his frustrations out on him.

have you tried blade of the ruined king+triforce on him yet? the only hp items you need are warmogs visage and something with armor. heck you can even just get thornmail and be done with it. rylias on his R is scary.

anyway - just give it another shot. maybe new yorick isnt for you. old yorick was really boring with nothing new to offer. mordekaiser and annie do the exact same thing he did. sion too in all honesty once he got his rework. now yorick feels way way different and is really unique to play while still basically being the same undying yorick from before.

LordGeovanni1 votes

This to the guy who played as regularly as he played jax before his rework along with other bruisers that struggle to even reach their enemy but also get punished when they do alot of damage when long ranged people dont take half your health before you reach to them.

BLACK REALM GOD1 votes

i have no idea what you just said. that statement was horribly formed. im not trying to make fun of you but i need you to clarify what you just said.

"this (what is this) to the guy (you or me or someone else?) who played as regularly as he (who is he?) played jax before his rework (how much is that?) along with other bruisers (...umm... okay? what about them?) that struggle to even reach their enemy, but also get punished when they do alot of damage when long ranged people dont take half your health before you reach to them (... [zombie-brand-mindblown] what?)

JackMcSnipeyz1 votes

So your major complaint is - cant land E so your minioms are garbage. His E is tricky to lamd, but thats something you get used too, the minions you spawn are less of a tanky pets and more of glass cannon swarm that outnumbers the enemy you're dueling.

It takes at minimum 4 basic attacks to kill all of them, add yorick ontop of your ass and you got an easy trade in lane, trap them and you can kill any squishy mid game that doesnt have too much mobility.

Guy Fox Teemo1 votes

4 basic attacks Or any aoe ability that would hit everyone (Darius q, riven, Olaf q, etc)

Yes he relys to much on His e to do anything. If you Miss it you become almost 100% useless. Which is ridiculous for an ability thats so easy to dodge.

FideyIV Akuma1 votes

o really? it is the same thhing with illaoi tho. and you are just weaker not useless. So don't fight when you miss e?!?!?

Guy Fox Teemo1 votes

Uh no Illaoi fights plenty of times without E? That abilities more for harass then fighting itself.... You E kill the spirit for damage or they leave and take damage from tentacles only. Its not meant for in combat fighting as you would much rather target the actual champion then the spirit.

Ruin Lance1 votes

maybe you just aren't playing him right. I've gotten an S or higher every single game on him and I wouldn't be surprised if he gets hit with some nerfs next patch.

Guy Fox Teemo1 votes

I've gotten am S with him every single time as well... Why? Because its easy As hell, since any average score gets you one. The only time I didnt get an S was once when I went 0/8.

And I still think hes pretty shit.

BLACK REALM GOD1 votes

im going to be 100% honest with you. i've played him a lot and i feel bork is his only friend. i stay in the jungle and just kill camp... wait why am i telling you the secret to my "i dont care how many deaths i end up with cause yorick is gonna slap your face in the end" routine? >.>

attack speed cooldown and lifesteal. put on a warmogs and some tabi boots and get to work.

item 3153 item 3047 item 3083 item 3075 item 3065 item 3091

^the build of champions.

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