I despise playing against Ekko.

option paralysis·Dec 5, 2017·57 votes·3,819 views

Every time I see that champ, I wanna write bad things in all chat. Especially with this new garbage build . You cannot catch him as he runs away with 500 + ms and his 13 passives. Even if you somehow catch the guy, he just ults back and runs away again. Ever since tank ekko days, I wanted to pull my hair out every time I go against him. In lane he just spams Q and runs away, then hits 6 and then he's even more annoying. Ahhh, I'm getting mad just thinking about it. Whatever, rant over.

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Scary DoorDec 5, 201724 votes

Practically no mana cost on Q to clear waves with a Doran's ring. Ekko is the safest "assassin" I know.

I don't think Ekko is "overpowered", but I will agree with the basic premise of your thread, he is annoying to play against.

Teridax68Dec 5, 20178 votes

Personally, I feel judging a champion purely on their power level, or current win rate, tends to offer a very incomplete picture, because literally any champion can be made underpowered if you nerf them hard enough (or, conversely, OP if you give them enough buffs). Just like Camille, Kalista, Yasuo, etc. Ekko finally ended up being more or less balanced eventually, but started out OP because he was, and still is, overloaded. He can do more things than the average assassin, and still often thrives in situations better-suited towards fighters, due to his crowd control and defensive tools, while still having good poke and waveclear. He doesn't do any particular thing terrifically well, besides maybe waveclear, but the simple fact that he can do so much is enough to give him an out in most scenarios, which is tremendously irritating for anyone with a less loaded kit to deal with.

Scary DoorDec 5, 20175 votes

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Personally, I feel judging a champion purely on their power level, or current win rate, tends to offer a very incomplete picture, because literally any champion can be made underpowered if you nerf them hard enough (or, conversely, OP if you give them enough buffs). Just like Camille, Kalista, Yasuo, etc. Ekko finally ended up being more or less balanced eventually, but started out OP because he was, and still is, overloaded. He can do more things than the average assassin, and still often thrives in situations better-suited towards fighters, due to his crowd control and defensive tools, while still having good poke and waveclear. He doesn't do any particular thing terrifically well, besides maybe waveclear, but the simple fact that he can do so much is enough to give him an out in most scenarios, which is tremendously irritating for anyone with a less loaded kit to deal with.

I agree with you. Ekko's real issue is that he is kind of a jack-of-all-trades, but master of none type of champion. It's funny because in a lot of ways Ekko is actually balanced, but yet he can be irritating to play against because of his kit. He isn't really "weak" at any point in the game, but I would never say he is too strong, I wouldn't waste a ban on him, but I still find it annoying to play against him.

Really odd, I suppose.

SteelMankindDec 5, 20171 votes

Since preseason his early lane phase is pretty weak because he can't kill caster minions with 2Qs anymore. After level 3 he's pretty good, though can be tough to close out games with

JamochawokeDec 7, 20171 votes

Kind of like Lee Sin.

Overloaded kit? check Super strong at any point of game? Not really Weak at any point of game? Not really

AirKingNeoDec 5, 20171 votes

90 mana cost isn't 'no mana'

DontHateTheDotDec 6, 20172 votes

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Practically no mana cost on Q to clear waves with a Doran's ring. Ekko is the safest "assassin" I know.

I don't think Ekko is "overpowered", but I will agree with the basic premise of your thread, he is annoying to play against.

"practically no mana cost to clear waves with Q? considering before he has 90 ap and is lvl 9, it takes bare minimum 2 q's to clear a wave that 100-180 mana to get 24-28 mana back.last i checked 76 mana isnt free.

0 HogapuDec 6, 20171 votes

he needs 3 q to kill casters when his Q is level 1, then when his Q reaches level 2, he needs 2 Q's , for a total of 60x2=120 mana (this isnt "no mana cost", and his q becomes 90 mana at max level which is actually high) dont forget that you can also block his Q with your champion if you really dont want him to push, just like you body block an ezreal Q when he wants to farm.

Scary DoorDec 6, 20171 votes

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he needs 3 q to kill casters when his Q is level 1, then when his Q reaches level 2, he needs 2 Q's , for a total of 60x2=120 mana (this isnt "no mana cost", and his q becomes 90 mana at max level which is actually high) dont forget that you can also block his Q with your champion if you really dont want him to push, just like you body block an ezreal Q when he wants to farm.

I think people that are responding aren't really reading what I wrote. I never said "no mana cost", I said "practically no mana cost" and I think people just assume that I'm referring to Ekko brainlessly throwing Qs into waves... I'm assuming he's auto attacking here and there to set up a good wave clear. Given mana regen, Manaflow mastery, etc.... it's not like he's going to run out of mana in a couple of casts.

I'm not going to body block his Q to take damage, that's silly. I like that Ekko's Q has the counterplay to dodge it, but it's literally my only complaint is that the mana cost seems a bit low given the ability to safely clear.

ThePikolDec 5, 201711 votes

Ekko build FQC now?

ApexInTheCircleDec 5, 201719 votes

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Ekko build FQC now?

Oh good lord it's fucking cancer.

ThePikolDec 5, 20172 votes

Except the active whicj is on final FCQ tree item I don't see the piont. More gold? But you lose stacks as you kill minions right?

InfernapeDec 5, 20171 votes

That part of the passive gets disabled when you have Frost Queen's Claim. It's still active on Frostfang and Spellthief's Edge though.

ThePikolDec 5, 20173 votes

So until you get final item what's the point? Or is FCQ so good that it's worth it?

Spank the FoxDec 5, 20175 votes

FQC is cheap, gives good AP, can pay for itself and is a great picking tool midgame.

Someday Riot will be smart enough to have the bloody gold gen get disabled on minion kill, because this item always seems to end up mid somehow.

DivewingDec 5, 20171 votes

Building it on Azir now in place of morello

HibekiDec 5, 20171 votes

Extra damage on abilities and gives movement speed

Somebody Love MeDec 6, 20171 votes

When you fully stack the gold, hitting anyone with an ability gives movement speed

Handin Out NapsDec 5, 20171 votes

Its always been one of the 3 builds. Either proto/lich, Gunblade/lich or FQC/Deathcap.

SteelMankindDec 5, 20172 votes

Its been known to Ekko mains for around a year now; idk how its suddenly getting coverage by non-Ekko main mid lane streamers

Pale PirateDec 5, 20171 votes

Why would he build FQC now of all times.

Handy Sandy Dec 5, 20174 votes

Because it makes it easier to land his stun

Void Baboon RFDec 5, 201711 votes

"ekko is a utility assassin" - the day riot games lost the one marble it had left

PhaseDivesDec 5, 20176 votes

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"ekko is a utility assassin" - the day riot games lost the one marble it had left

Orianna is a " utility mage " and she burst faster than ekko and has more utility than ekko lol and has late game scaling than ekko and has no weakness in lane and has artillery range while ekko is emhh meele.

and has been S tier since s2.

Eternal TormentDec 5, 20178 votes

If you think ekko as it is brings depression then try an ekko that hard farms Dark Harvest and rushes Ludens Lich item combo. E = onehits an adc

KanzlerDec 5, 20174 votes

Ekko needs like 4 items to do what other assassins can do with 1 or 2. He may be annoying, but he definitely isnt strong.

DivewingDec 5, 20174 votes

Simplifies it a bit, but not sure why this is being downvoted - it's not exactly wrong.

Xx420n0sc0p3sxXDec 5, 20174 votes

item 3092 has been a popular item amongst good Ekko players for a loooooong time. That being said, it was deifnitely not the most popular build (that being protobelt/gunblade builds).

Since preason, Ekko has lost: The ability to q a wave twice at level one to clear backline Attack speed (Ekko players know this is important)

This has lead to a much weaker early game, something Ekko has never been great at (Zed can poke, Talon level 2 all in, etc...). In return, with all the damage tackled on to runes, Ekko can actually oneshot people now like an actual assassin. Beating Ekko can be tricky, but given his ~50% winrate according to champion.gg, its far from impossible. The best thing you can do is take advantage of his poor laning. Avoid getting hit by q, which will probably be spent farming the wave, and call for ganks. If Ekko is going FQC, he is spending gold on a support item. Yes, it's strong when stacked, but until then, its doesn't offer great stats. As with any assassin, vision does great, especially since he isn't buying duskblade

tl;dr Yes, Ekko is annoying, but then again, most champs are. Take advantage of his now awful laning, and just like in any game, ward up. He's got a 50% winrate, beating him is possible I promise

FairyfleurDec 5, 20171 votes

The issue isn't beating him; it's his toxic playstyle. He's very safe and can clear the wave without much effort.

Handin Out NapsDec 5, 20172 votes

That was back with old runes. He cant just double q waves early anymore, he is a lot weaker in lane.

R7 FactorDec 5, 20174 votes

I'LL TAKE EKKO OVER

Ornn Teemo Pantheon Heimerdinger Malzahar Maokai

ANY DAY OF THE FREAKING WEEK!

ThefrostyvikingDec 5, 20171 votes

Malz will be gone when next patch hits if that pleases you any x)

Riot seems to have decided to dumpster him while waiting for a rework, since they don't feel like reverting him.

R7 FactorDec 5, 20171 votes

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Malz will be gone when next patch hits if that pleases you any x)

Riot seems to have decided to dumpster him while waiting for a rework, since they don't feel like reverting him.

fuck now who am i gonna pick into himer top?

ThefrostyvikingDec 5, 20171 votes

Wukong, akali or Karthus according to OP.GG, and karthus is getting buffed next patch too^^

15% ap ratio buff to his ulti for a total of 75%.

Then we also have Nasus, jayce, irelia, sion, cho, Yasuo,olaf, lissandra and talon who apparently also do well or decent against him.

oh and vlad.

TerozuDec 5, 20173 votes

Ummm. FQC didnt change cept for a buff and bandit tacked on...

PokladnicaZlaDec 5, 20172 votes

Wish they would add more counterplay to his R tho.

Heros Never DieDec 6, 20171 votes

CC and extended fights tend to be enough.

WráthfulDec 5, 20172 votes

have u tried laning against a fizz?

FairyfleurDec 5, 20174 votes

Atleast Fizz can't afk clear the wave with one skill

ChuShoeDec 5, 20172 votes

atleast you can abuse fizz early if you've got any form of range whatsoever.

Not to mention item 2420 completely negates his first level 6 all-in

SwarovskoDec 5, 20172 votes

He's sooooo uninteractive. And once you're getting the kill he ults and gets away, just like Lee Sin: he can fight you whenever he wants and stop the fight whenever he wants. I don't think he's op or something but he for sure is more annoying than Yasuo and Fizz togheter in the same lane vs you as Lux.

PhaseDivesDec 5, 20171 votes

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He's sooooo uninteractive. And once you're getting the kill he ults and gets away, just like Lee Sin: he can fight you whenever he wants and stop the fight whenever he wants. I don't think he's op or something but he for sure is more annoying than Yasuo and Fizz togheter in the same lane vs you as Lux.

except if you land a Q on him later on he just dies and lv1 you put him half hp with a undodgable E + Auto attack while he cant even do anything to you lol. lv2 3 4 you out trade him everysingle time he jumps on you and lv6 you have kill pressure on him like dont act like hes uninteractive because he has no other choice he just loses too many matchups but then if he is allowed to fight people early game hes broken because hes an assasin that has kill pressure on squichy mages broken champion dude.

Eternal TormentDec 5, 20171 votes

I suppose you never heard of Kappadin before? Q ekko as he engages, trade him back, rush RoA and youre good to go

TegashDec 5, 20171 votes

Picking up Vlad is also a good way to counter Ekko.

Ekko has a hard time bursting Vlad down since he has the Pool to escape with and really good sustain to heal back up after Ekko misses his engage. And in the lategame, he flat out contributes more to a team than Ekko does. As an assassin, Ekko has trouble taking on more than maybe TWO people at most. Whereas Vlad can literally walk into a team and survive for about 5 seconds, ult and then zhonya's, heal to full and continue mosh-pitting.

ReySolomonDec 5, 20171 votes

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Picking up Vlad is also a good way to counter Ekko.

Ekko has a hard time bursting Vlad down since he has the Pool to escape with and really good sustain to heal back up after Ekko misses his engage. And in the lategame, he flat out contributes more to a team than Ekko does. As an assassin, Ekko has trouble taking on more than maybe TWO people at most. Whereas Vlad can literally walk into a team and survive for about 5 seconds, ult and then zhonya's, heal to full and continue mosh-pitting.

Ekkos E is shorter CD than Vlads W so make sure to take a spectre cowl if he really is bursting you down.

Andrey0345Dec 5, 20176 votes

I suppose you never heard of Kassawin before?

FTFY

Eternal TormentDec 5, 20171 votes

Thank you kind sir

Based YagerDec 6, 20171 votes

ekko kit is really toxic and not fun to play against.

GaryTheGekkoDec 7, 20171 votes

ekko gets outclassed in ever aspect by other champs. He can't waveclear as well as mages, he can't assasinate as well as assasins, he can't peel as well as supports, he's very cooldown reliant, and very susceptible to cc.

If you're just talking lane, don't let him kill you. If he get's items ahead, that's where his dmg comes from. If he gets levels ahead ur donezo. I find the most annoying match ups to be zoe (maybe just because shes actually pure cancer), morgana, malz, and other assassin skill match ups. If you're playing a caster mage then u MUST poke him. Force him off the wave, don't be a puss. His early levels are atrocious, harass him before 3 because after that he can start to farm more effectively. He CANNOT kill you 100-0 early in lane even with ignite he would need 2 passive procs and i think the cd is 5 sec between passive procs, but he needs his cooldowns anyways, he would lose any extended AA fights.

JustSaiyan69Dec 7, 20171 votes

With his passive his wave clear is actually pretty good, only bad because he can get poked but every melee has to deal with that against ranged. As soon as he hits 2 he can just stick to you for a point blank q and proc his passive easy then run, only people with a cc or higher mobility can really deal with this.