Redemption is so fking stupid

Ahristocats··49 votes·4,147 views

2100 gold 94% cost efficient giving hp to squishy enchanters can be cast while being death heals for 490 for every single ally in it, can heal up to 2000 hp nearly deals %hp true damage has a zyra ulti aoe size is also built on champions like LeeSin Ivern

who the fuck thought it was a good idea?

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Akali is SO HOT12 votes

[{quoted}](name=playfive Koopska,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=eBjIzBWY,comment-id=,timestamp=2016-11-27T18:34:26.653+0000) can be cast while being death

triggered

ShinkoMinori10 votes

Phreak

Draaaaaavéééééén12 votes

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Phreak

Ofc... no wonder its a shit idea.

Saianna24 votes

We should be happy it wasn't CertainlyTs idea, otherwise it'd have knockup, revive, 20% AD buff and would be for half the price. And Riot would take their merry time to balance it for 4 years.

TeCoolMage9 votes

Redemption: When activated any Yasuos in the radius are buffed to get 300% extra crit damage and knocks up all enemies and allies. Yasuo can ult during this time to get a deca kill, killing himself in the process as the enemy nexus explodes

Saianna2 votes

Redemption ability resets ONLY on champion kills, assists, minion kills, monster kills, deaths or in 10s

TeCoolMage2 votes

NOTE: does not reset upon nexus death, as that would be unfair due to the active resetting itself.

Spice POWAH2 votes

don't forget 100% crit chance and x10 effectiveness in bot lane.

Draaaaaavéééééén2 votes

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We should be happy it wasn't CertainlyTs idea, otherwise it'd have knockup, revive, 20% AD buff and would be for half the price. And Riot would take their merry time to balance it for 4 years.

LMFAO

Akali is SO HOT2 votes

If it was Phreak then you would need to be jungling and have Trinity Force before you could buy it

Çhåryzård9 votes

Soraka Janna Sona

If the whole "giving health to squishy enchanters and everyone on the team at once" thing pisses you off..

And from my experience the true damage hasn't really been an issue when the person using it actually aimed it correctly

Haven't seen it casted while the person is dead but if that's possible it might be a glitch, don't think you should be allowed to use items while dead

Sims161937 votes

You can use Redemption while dead. That's intended.

Çhåryzård6 votes

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You can use Redemption while dead. That's intended.

Yea that seems op to me, you shouldn't be able to use anything while dead...that's the whole point of being "dead"

Kynami4 votes

You can use it while dead and halfway down the lane from where you aim it for that matter. 5500 range is quite something.

Ahristocats12 votes

true damage isn't a problem

the heal is a really BIG problem, 2000 heal and don't tell me you have to get 5 people in the aoe, cause the aoe size is also stupid it is said in the item that you can cast it while being dead, which again increase the stupidity of the item holy shit.

Papa Andrei2 votes

hey guess what. its a 10% max hp heal on a 3 minute cd.

Bârd2 votes

No, no it isn't.

Its up to 490 health on each person.

The damage is 10%, and that isn't much of a problem.

Ahristocats1 votes

yes, the true damage never made me lose a game.

however having the enemy team suddenly going from 1/2 of their hp to full hp is quite something

Spaceman5pff1 votes

Except it is capped at 490 per person..

Ahristocats1 votes

i know, i was just describing my feelings when i see the enemy team being healed by redemption

but even 490 is gamebreaking, what was the shield of old solari again?

Spaceman5pff1 votes

Likely less. But it gave a defensive aura, and was on a lower CD.

GayFluffyUnicorn3 votes

Don't forget the passive 10% more shield and healing+windspeaker blessing on champs like sona and janna. It's like riot doesn'T want adcs to die at all.

Nielarken4 votes

You can use it while dead it is intended they even put an early cd on it so people cant just buy it use it while dead then sell it.

Sckullzz1 votes

Haven't seen it casted while the person is dead but if that's possible it might be a glitch, don't think you should be allowed to use items while dead

It's not a glitch, it's purposefully intended. Read the patch notes.

Çhåryzård1 votes

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It's not a glitch, it's purposefully intended. Read the patch notes.

Read the rest of the chat, I've already been told multiple times it isn't a glitch. You're late to the party

Marshbouy7 votes

People forget that when a support item becomes too good it completely outclasses all other items in the game. That's why supports are balanced around low cost low stat items.

HazyCloud76 votes

This item can potentially heal 2450 health, without factoring in runic armor + windspeakers blessing + healing/shielding power passives. The true damage and usability while dead are nothing compared to the crazy amount of healing this thing can put out. The true damage isn't an issue because it has a delay.

Redemption makes Knight's vow look like total shit, and Knight's Vow is a pretty damn good item. If redemption remains the same I predict (and I am not the first person to predict this by any means) that we will see junglers purchasing it in competitive. Who in the world designed this item and what in the world went through their head when doing so?

Giving supports busted items like redemption because its the least popular role is not the way to address that, and lack of ability to make an impact is absolutely not the reason most people who don't play support don't want to do so anyway. It's because playing support inherently involves setting up others to carry, and most people would rather be in a position where they have the resources to enable themselves to carry. Quite honestly the support role is in a great spot, and it will be in an even better spot when they add another mechanic to prevent them from being underleveled for warding.

And why the hell did they make it useable while dead anyway? Pretty much says screw you to the concept of positioning.

ModKnightsKemplar6 votes

As usual, the attempts to give supports useful items ends with them being abused by other lanes...

Nothing to see here. I'm not happy, but I'm also not surprised. I hope this catalyses some talk about reworking the support class.

Handin Out Naps1 votes

Abused by other lanes...? Its broken on everyone, including supports. They introduced an item that was way too good.

ElysMustache2 votes

If it is so OP, all ten players would build it.

Best princess EU7 votes

why was DFT removed? the 10 players didn't build it, riot it wasn't op

le mao, sometimes board is funny

Aeszarck13 votes

[{quoted}](name=Sanji fanboy,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=eBjIzBWY,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2016-11-27T19:02:48.402+0000)

why was DFT removed?

It wasn't.

Votable Jester22 votes

Guessing he meant DFG.

Edit: I get that this is likely, but that seems like a lot of upvotes for something like this xD

Votable Jester1 votes

le mao, sometimes board is funny

... I just realized. You referenced SAO Abridged there, didn't you?

Imperial Japan2 votes

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2100 gold 94% cost efficient giving hp to squishy enchanters can be cast while being death heals for 490 for every single ally in it, can heal up to 2000 hp nearly deals %hp true damage has a zyra ulti aoe size is also built on champions like LeeSin Ivern

who the fuck thought it was a good idea?

I like it, it keeps relevancy when behind and it isn't a game changer. Helps in select situations and those times only

GayFluffyUnicorn1 votes

Not a game changer?????? then you are doing it wrong...

DarkRitual2 votes

94% gold efficiency is actually pretty crappy.

Marshbouy3 votes

With aactive that's that good? 94% gold efficiency is too much.

WingsofGulgazor2 votes

I mean redemption costs 2100 gold it's not like the stats scale well especially into late game.

Marshbouy2 votes

No support items stats scale well into the late game. no support items do It's their actives that do well and the support champion's kit by itself.

When an active can deal 10% max health ture damage and heal for 2k+ that item is way too strong.

L0ve Is Blue2 votes

Actives like this are the reason they keep giving shitty stats and items to enchanters instead of actual AP so their spells can scale.

LadyRenly2 votes

yeah lets just give tanky hard cc engagers even more utility

Faustavian2 votes

Cast while being death?

Do I sense a mandatory meta item on Karthus ?

Numb3rs2 votes

i have never ever ever ever ever seen a LeeSin build redemption. im also a lee sin main lmao

Papa Andrei

you guys realize this is just a 10% max health heal??? So it helps out tanks more than it does. and its damage is based on level... maybe read what it does before bitching about it?

Bârd3 votes

You've got it mixed up.

The heal is based on level.

The damage is 10% max HP.

Papa Andrei1 votes

After 2.5 second, call down a beam of light to heal allies for 150 - 490 (based on target's level)

Bârd3 votes

There you go.

Papa Andrei1 votes

That feel when you downvote yourself because you were stupid xD

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