everyone hates ad mid and want zhonya buff and maw nerf??!!

Frius·Sep 13, 2016·6 votes·807 views

13 of 15 are mages ,in top list position

that explains biased opinions and hateful attitude towards ad

talon nr 34 zed 15 rest ap ap ap ap

16 Comments

Squidward DabSep 13, 20167 votes

People only want zhonyas buffed because the stasis cooldown got increased to 120 seconds while the bloodline on maw and hexdrinker is 90 seconds.

And adding 10% cdr for lower ap isn't that great either considering all the other items give cdr you usually go overboard on the cdr

Sona x RubickSep 13, 20161 votes

good riddance, don't decrease the cooldown

increase the ap to 80 like any other rp items like lichbane/liandry

Squidward DabSep 13, 20161 votes

Yea I wouldn't mind it having a 120 cooldown if it didn't have shit ap

Maximum MordeSep 13, 20162 votes

Only three AD really exist mid. Zed, Yasuo, and Talon. Yasuo is being spammed Top. Zed is easier than Talon so you won't see Talon outside of a few diehard Talon fans even though Talon is pretty strong at the moment

How many AP mids are there again? Not to mention that AD mid tends to ruin team damage comp, since as a whole AP top laners are somewhat weak at the moment.

Also, who wants a Zhonyas buff? It's decent enough as is. Maw doesn't need a nerf either. Hexdrinker maybe, but not Maw.

TL:DR - You see more AP mid because that is their only home, not because AD mids are weak.

EndlessSorcererSep 13, 20161 votes

Only three AD really exist mid. Zed, Yasuo, and Talon.

Jayce Heh, you keep thinking that.

Maximum MordeSep 13, 20161 votes

Jayce is definitely capable of being played mid, and has wicked damage potential to do it too, he's just typically played top instead because again, sending AD mid ruins your teams damage comp. Evidenced by his 47% winrate on mid compared to 51% on top.

PermabannedGarenSep 13, 20161 votes

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Zed is easier than Talon

Not sure if you're trolling, but he's certainly not.

Maximum MordeSep 13, 20163 votes

He certainly is. Mechanically he's not, but his versatility means you can blind pick him into anything and have a relatively easy time with it so long as you know how to play Zed. That isn't the case with Talon, where there actually are some very dangerous matchups for him.

When I say easy or hard, I'm not talking about mechanics. I'm talking about what kind of matchups you are going to have in lane, how easy it will be for you to go against a counter pick and still be relevant because you can farm, how safe you are because you have escapes etc. Zed beats out Talon for being easy to lane with because he has everything you could want once you've learned his mechanics.

PermabannedGarenSep 13, 20161 votes

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He certainly is. Mechanically he's not, but his versatility means you can blind pick him into anything and have a relatively easy time with it so long as you know how to play Zed. That isn't the case with Talon, where there actually are some very dangerous matchups for him.

When I say easy or hard, I'm not talking about mechanics. I'm talking about what kind of matchups you are going to have in lane, how easy it will be for you to go against a counter pick and still be relevant because you can farm, how safe you are because you have escapes etc. Zed beats out Talon for being easy to lane with because he has everything you could want once you've learned his mechanics.

That doesn't make him harder than Zed IMO. Just more limited.

You could say the same thing about someone like Garen, who is very easy to play as. Talon is a very blunt kit, which limits him, but he's not harder.

EndlessSorcererSep 13, 20161 votes

I generally phase this as Zed being more versatile than Talon rather than easier to avoid confusion.

I agree with your viewpoint though.

Widder88Sep 13, 20161 votes

Corki Ezreal Gangplank Jayce

TyroneWatermelonSep 13, 20162 votes

Mage kids

DenevielSep 13, 20161 votes

In order to not be countered by specific item pick you need different kind of dmg .... since jungle and top are forced, almost always, on a tankier build and bot it's an AD must mid it's the only lane where you can play a full AP champ .....

Not a matter of number just a bit of logic

SpoofghoulSep 13, 20161 votes

i play with push/waveclear tanks who have decent roams mid because i like to make my enemies claw their eyeballs out of frustration

you can't kill me ill sustain your poke, your stuck here in lane with me, oh and maybe ill kill you since you got no defenses

and if you roam ill follow ur ass around, and no you can walk to the next bush and wait to burst me because you cant burst a tank ahahah

screw assassins and mages mid lol

CatastropSep 13, 20161 votes

Um this was like 4 months ago. No one thinks this anymore, where are you, under a rock?

CerealBoxOfDoomSep 13, 20161 votes

AD mid is annoying zhonya's needs a buff if AD teams are gonna be a thing, doesn't have to be a flat buff. It can be a net nerf but really zhonyas shouldn't be a necessary thing ever. If anything the zhonya's active should be a tank or support thing.

Maw is too ridiculous midgame. It might be ok if it was just the bruisers getting it but sometimes ADCs using penetration builds get it and go nuts as do assassins. They fail to kill you, they get a free pass because of maw and then they fail to kill you again but maw is just too strong so they get another chance to kill you.

The top 15 is irrelevant, winrates are irrelevant to the issue. Its not a matter of balance, the design is just unfun at certain points.