@Meddler. hope you're not dazed about so many Rylais threads

Burnt Iron King··7 votes·4,925 views

People just like to discuss things and overexaggerated after you presenting two possible directions for Rylais. A lot of people already thought the CDR/Mana approach was set in stone.

You need a huge disclaimer on these kinds of posts or people may just start to freak out XD

Seriously though, a bit more insight would be neat, not only for Rylais but also for the Pen items

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RiotMeddler8 votes

As per that previous post it's still under discussion. It's always good to see feedback from the community, so no worries about the number of threads going on. We'll offer some more insight when there's some more stuff to discuss.

Most concrete thing we can say at present is that we will be nerfing Rylais regardless of what direction we go in. Wouldn't worry about it becoming a bigger damage item and therefore greater issue than it already is on some champs. Even if we did go for a non HP approach wouldn't expect it to gain offensive stats at all.

MistroTTC5 votes

Do you have any plans to buff champions like Singed Mordekaiser and AurelionSol who have ryalis as core items?

Vegathron3 votes

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Do you have any plans to buff champions like Singed Mordekaiser and AurelionSol who have ryalis as core items?

and Azir !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

EDIT: lol @ downvotes=P name another champ that has to stand still as much as he does (thats a mid laner) to deal damage! i guess you could argue he can shuffle to catch back up on a chase so fair enough i guess=P

DeathBurst4 votes

No, precisely.

Azir (and Cassio) is the reason Rylai is nerfed, because he can abuse the power from Rylai, but he doesn't need Rylai to function.

Like, sure, Rylai is the optimal item to build currently on Azir, but if you'd build Nashor/Morello, you'd be less strong but you could still play. Whereas if you wouldn't build Rylai (or at least some source of slow, as per Meddler answer) on Mordekaiser or Aurelion or Singed, you really can't play.

RiotMeddler8 votes

Generally we want to adjust champions hit by item changes the patch after once we've had a chance to see how affected they've been (we've overbuff significantly in the past when trying to predict ahead of time). That'd probably be the case here, whatever the Rylai's changes are. Another possibility might be buffs to some of the other slow providing items that, for some Rylai's users at least, are reasonable alternatives or close to good choices (GLP especially, plus Randiun's or Dead Man's on some champs).

6Sfool1 votes

I feel that rylais is core on some champs only because they should have natural slows in their kit. You're the expert, but that's just my 2 cents. Last night I made a post suggesting a rework for Singed that would reduce the need for rylais. I was hoping it would gain some popularity and you'd run into it browsing the forums, but it got buried fast since nobody wants to read a 3 page in-depth post. If you have some spare time, please take a look. Proposed Singed Update

EROTIC RAID BOSS4 votes

Will there be some champions you plan to watch especially closely or even buff right in preseason, because they rely so much on the item currently? ie Mordekaiser or Azir... or... I don't even know who it most strongly affects other than those 2.

Melledoneus1 votes

For a second I thought you were going to say, "It's fine, I don't read 'em anyway."

Because I would approve of that answer's hilarity.

######Jk Meddler I love you

Linna Excel1 votes

Why specifically does it need nerfing?

Sahn Uzal2 votes

People aren't acting like the AP/Mana approach is set in stone, people are trying to prevent Riot from taking the item into the 'wrong' direction

Burnt Iron King2 votes

I dislike that direction as well, but Riot should definitely not be scared about chiming in and asking people why they think the tanky approach's the way to go. Yes, the CDR option is bad but Riot could really benefit from looking into why it's so, maybe they'll see that if they want to introduce another cdr mana option they should create a new item instead of screwing over all of the intended users of Rylais

yay nibbers2 votes

Everyone assuming that this is the "wrong direction" is overreacting. Nobody outside of Riot themselves can possibly know what exactly that would entail. It could end up with 60ap, 10%CDR and 250 mana, practically the minimum stats they could give it without being so low that nobody gets it, but everyone on the Boards acts like they'll give it Morello's stats but with a slow because overreact is all the Boards ever does.

Sahn Uzal2 votes

Now guess why I wrote 'wrong' instead of just wrong.

Karn Bishop1 votes

Well its a bad idea no matter how you look at it since it tends to crowd out champions who can't deal with consistent slows and when it was a high hp, high slow, low ap option the only people who built it were those who liked those things, now everyone who can even remotely use it build it due to its high ap stats.

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