Getting really sick of AD Assassins having a clear advantage over AP Mages

metaworldpeace10··4 votes·728 views

"buut buut mages have item 3157 .. they're fine!"

No. Not at all. For multiple reasons:

  1. item 3191 is a stack item, takes too long to stack for it to be relevant. Also, Seekers does not offer any type of waveclear/combat stats for mages (CDR, mana or mana regen) If a mage rushes item 3191, the Zed, Talon and Yasuo can effortlessly push wave and force the mage to go oom.

  2. item 3157 is a good powerspike for mid lane mages. It gives desperate need of defenses, too bad that by the time you get item 3157, the AD assassin has already hit level 8 and has been able to all in you at anytime for the past 2-3 levels.

  3. Without any armor/cdr/mana regen options, AD assassins are free to roam as they please and the poor mid laner is forced to sit at tower and farm minions.

This is getting out of hand. The constant balance struggle between mages and AD Assassins will never be achieved in this state. AD Assassins are at a HUGE advantage due to their own itemization, lack of real resource and lack of AP armor itemization.

Please Please Please can we add an AP/armor item that gives AP mages a fighting chance against Talon or Zed?

10 Comments

AlwaysByMySide2 votes

You're meant to be weaker in lane, because you have considerably more utility later. Deal with it.

Also, the best mid laner in the game is an AP mage.

metaworldpeace101 votes

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You're meant to be weaker in lane, because you have considerably more utility later. Deal with it.

Also, the best mid laner in the game is an AP mage.

So, because you're an AD assassin, you're supposed to be inherently significantly stronger at the most important part of the game because mages bring more "utility" later? Too bad games end by 25 minutes for that "utility" to kick in. Zed meanwhile rofl stomps lane, knowing there is nothing any AP mage can do, unless you're Lux because she's over buffed.

AlwaysByMySide2 votes

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So, because you're an AD assassin, you're supposed to be inherently significantly stronger at the most important part of the game because mages bring more "utility" later?

Yes, it's the same reason Nasus isn't allowed to have a strong early game. AD assassins win lane, AP mages scale.

metaworldpeace101 votes

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Yes, it's the same reason Nasus isn't allowed to have a strong early game. AD assassins win lane, AP mages scale.

You're implying that Assassins don't scale? Assassins arguably scale harder than mages. lol

BadmoonBC2 votes

I just posted how it's starting to become ridiculous that I have to bust through a maw/hex drinker shield AND a steraks shield to kill someone Come on riot please

metaworldpeace101 votes

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I just posted how it's starting to become ridiculous that I have to bust through a maw/hex drinker shield AND a steraks shield to kill someone Come on riot please

Yeah, they just become too tanky, too quickly for mages to be able to compete. item 3155 essentially makes mages worthless early on, unless you're Leblanc or Fizz , but those matchups tend to be risky because of the nature of Assassins.

Akali is SO HOT2 votes

Yeah definitely. Look at all of those AD Assassins being 100% bick/ban in competitive. I know it must be terrible having the best itemization in the game since the beginning of the game. I'm also flabbergasted at the fact that hexdrinker makes it so you can't actually 100-0 someone with all of your point and click CC and AoE spells how horrible D:

HoboMcJoe1 votes

For a variety of reasons, especially hexdrinker being overpowered, AD mids are pretty strong right now, but there are ways to play around them and you're clearly not playing matchups right if you're getting destroyed super bad. And no, most assassin's don't really scale. Yasuo does, but he isn't really an assassin and he's actually probably the weakest ad mid right now.

EcchiOtakuTM1 votes

All they gotta do is nerf hexdrinker by removing the lifegrip passive and lowering the MR by 10

And Lower the price on MOST AP items by 100-300g

After that mages will be fine.

pE4CbxDPQO1 votes

I have successfully and consistently had good success as Leblanc vs Talon Zed Riven Yasuo Try it out.

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