nerf heimer already

Atlªs·Aug 10, 2018·24 votes·8,425 views

practically manaless champion that incessantly harasses you under tower with little room for retaliation. requires little to no effort to push with efficient punishment when trying to clear turrets.

25 Comments

FirebeardAug 10, 201811 votes

What nerfs would you recommend? Everyone cries out for change, but their ideas are never balanced usually. Your thoughts on what a proper nerf would look like without utterly gutting him?

elo trashAug 10, 20182 votes

make his turrets cost more mana, thus making him place them more carefully / tactically.

DuskDaUmbreonAug 10, 20185 votes

Limit turret duration or make them cost more mana, and make him unable to keep his RQ out while Zhonya'd, because that is legit a 0-counterplay situation there.

CrazFight Aug 10, 201810 votes

Turrents aren't really the problem IMO, its his w which does so much dmg it just pushes anyone out of lane.

ThefrostyvikingAug 10, 20183 votes

To be fair his turrets are a pain in the ass too, mainly for melee.

Like if you have shorter range you will just end up eating rockets for free trying to clear them because they have too much health to be killed quickly, trying to slowly bring them down wastes too much time however as he will just drop a new one.

Malzahar, also a minion mancer, had his minions dropped to literally 1 hit from anything to stop them being a pain in the ass........and while doing so to heimer doesnt make that much sense it would still be good if it was either easier to clear his turrets or more rewarding to do so.'

Its worth noting that Zyra´s plants, a minion type that is very similar to heims turrets, also got hit with health nerfs for being too obnoxious...

Now malzahar's could be justified by his kit being a rather toxic mess, and Zyra with her deployment range of plants.

By at the same time, heimers turrets in their current state becomes such a absolute lockdown force that very few can actually do anything about him and the rest can only bend over or stay away.

xeviAug 11, 20183 votes

Yea the counterplay there is back the fuck up. You don't engage Illaoi after she just got a 3 man ult and by god she's near unkillable during that time with all those heals and tentacles.

I agree on the mana though. It's ridiculous for a champ like Heim to have such poke and waveclear while not consuming such a large manabase. The champ should not be able to spam 4-5 E's and W's in lane and still have enough for a full rotation + ult.

AnihakuAug 10, 20182 votes

^ almost always this. We are so quick to judge, but rarely do we offer a solution.

SirsirAug 11, 20181 votes

I would gut his late game, or at least his W and R>W burst. Auto-win in lane champ designs aren't a new thing in league, Leblanc Renekton Darius but most of them have to really snowball to be useful later. Heimer doesn't really suffer from that issue. He can be 0/0/0 with decent farm and oneshot squishies with E>R>w.

Personally I feel these designs are toxic af, and they are CERTAINLY not fun to play against, but they've been part of the game for awhile now.

HimeskiAug 10, 20184 votes

I meannnnn... he does a lot, but if you get close to him as a lot of people he's probably going to die. Like an ADC they do damage, but once you catch up to them they're gone.

jaypiffAug 11, 20181 votes

you get close and he just drops his ult turret and kills you by not doing anything...

koshkyraAug 11, 20181 votes

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I meannnnn... he does a lot, but if you get close to him as a lot of people he's probably going to die. Like an ADC they do damage, but once you catch up to them they're gone.

Thats where his 20 mana turrets come in

My Waifu VanillaAug 11, 20181 votes

Except if you are melee versus heimer it doesn't matter how much mana they cost. They could cost 50 or 60 each and you still wouldn't destroy them meaning he doesn't have to replace them. Also, the turrets aren't the problem he wins melee match ups. The turrets themselves do "meh" damage (it's like maybe 20 damage an auto in lane with celerity). It's when you run in a straight line and don't make an attempt to dodge the grenade which then causes you to get triple beamed that it's a problem.

RainXBladeAug 12, 20183 votes

There's really no way of making Heimer truly healthy by number tweaking. His entire playstyle of just sitting in lane and autopilot pushing in waves and being virtually invincible when around his 3 turrets is unhealthy. He insta-wins against melees and loses against ranged champions as they have the option of destroying his turrets w/o risking taking damage from them.

No amount of number nerfs will balance Heim. It's his kit that makes him oppressive to play against and makes him have extreme matchups where either side doesn't get to have fun or even play the game.

DivewingAug 12, 20181 votes

This is what I hate about Heimer.

You don't "beat" heim.

You just afk farm.

I remember a game I had where my first back i had 4.5k gold because I didn't bother fighting him

BlåbæretAug 10, 20182 votes

Nerf Swain while you're at it. They're both broken.

Vlada CutAug 10, 20182 votes

Why? He has no hp sustain ~~nor shielding~~.

jaypiffAug 11, 20182 votes

lmfao, he has a shield of turrets...

Vlada CutAug 11, 20181 votes

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lmfao, he has a shield of turrets...

It's either I'm blind or delete it without notice or heimerdingers that I get in my matches have no idea what they're doing. Or all 3 at the same time.

Noor SakataAug 11, 20182 votes

Fun fact , in preseason Heimer already got a huge nerf for no real reason , he wasn't even popular or picked that much , imagine if they didn't nerf him ? As from what I remember the nerf was his R Q damage was halfed ? something like that idk

DivewingAug 12, 20181 votes

He had a disgusting win rate in high elo iirc

CrazFight Aug 10, 20181 votes

I miss old donger TBH.

We went from playing around turrets to just spam w and watch your enemy die.

My Waifu VanillaAug 11, 20181 votes

At least you can dodge this W.

BestPudgeNAAug 11, 20181 votes

As someone who mained the Donger when i first started playing this game my suggestion would be to get gud, Donger isn't even a good champion. Seriously if you're losing to Donger you're getting outplayed... or playing one for all.

AtlªsAug 11, 20181 votes

You are wreaking with bias. Probably some 15 y/o that picked up the game after it became trash.