why does Irelia get 200 auto attack range?

Atlªs·Aug 21, 2018·8 votes·3,574 views

not only a point and click Q, but if I root her and run away she can get an auto off because 200 auto attack range. NO other champion gets 200 auto range for free

24 Comments

nelogisAug 21, 20184 votes

With the mobility she has right now she for sure doesn't need it.

Warlord RhinarkAug 21, 20184 votes

175 range should be enough.

ParoeAug 22, 20183 votes

Wait... Isnt 175 extended melee, and anything above that "ranged"? Why is rakan ranged still then?!

Chembaron YamadaAug 21, 20182 votes

I think the literally only reason why she has this is thematics.... They said they want her to live up to her telekinetic blades fantasy and giving her the same range as other melee champs wouldn't feel like she is controlling flying blades with her will, so they gave her more.

Do I think she needs this? No, but this is the only explanation I can come up with why they did it.

VoraciousXAug 22, 20182 votes

I said this when she first got reworked >_>; It's extremely frustrating when you're a 125 range champion and have an ability that puts you close to them for quick trades then try to walk away and she's autoing you the whole way back to your turret because unsurprisingly 200 auto range is enough to give you room to auto attack someone while they're running without stopping.

Prince PurgeJun 8, 20191 votes

THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS T H I S

The Bad TouchAug 21, 20181 votes

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not only a point and click Q, but if I root her and run away she can get an auto off because 200 auto attack range. NO other champion gets 200 auto range for free

Most champions in league have more than 200 auto attack range.

Warlord RhinarkAug 21, 20182 votes

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Most champions in league have more than 200 auto attack range.

Not most melee champions.

LTK KoRoAug 21, 20182 votes

Well 200 range can be oppressive only against melees, and Irelia isn't really strong against them

Warlord RhinarkAug 21, 20182 votes

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Well 200 range can be oppressive only against melees, and Irelia isn't really strong against them

I don't find that a fitting excuse. Someone like Evelynn, for example, isn't strong against melees, but that doesn't mean she should have 200 range on her autos.

Irelia is the only champion in the entire game that has a base range of 200, anyone else that has an AA range of 200 has so due to an empowered basic attack. I don't get why she should be the excuse just because "lol she isn't strong against melees"

LTK KoRoAug 21, 20181 votes

If she isn't oppressive with 200 range and if her concept/animations work really good with that, i have no idea what your problem is, she fights with a floating blades, im sure they can go a bit longer than a Xin's spear (which have 175 range). Actually i feel that her aa animation would look really comic with 125 AA range

Warlord RhinarkAug 21, 20181 votes

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If she isn't oppressive with 200 range

I'm going to say this again because I'm not sure if you got it the first time, I don't find "she's not a oppressive" to be a fitting excuse.

Evelynn wouldn't be oppressive if she had 200 range, but that doesn't mean she should have 200 range.

and if her concept/animations work really good with that, i have no idea what your problem is, she fights with a floating blades, im sure they can go a bit longer than a Xin's spear (which have 175 range).

Gameplay mechanics come before realism.

Sure, in a real life scenario, flying blades would reach farther than a spear, but in a real life scenario, Caitlyn should be able to shoot her enemies all the way from her tower to theirs.

And yet, she doesn't.

Because no one else can.

Irelia has 200 range for no reason. No one else has, so why should she.

Actually i feel that her aa animation would look really comic with 125 AA range

And I didn't say she should have 125 range?

I clearly stated that it should be 175.

LTK KoRoAug 21, 20181 votes

So you're basically going to argue about bonus 25 range. That's reasonable, but i won't. There's no problem for me for her having 200 or 175, if she's balanced with 200, there's no reason to do a change for a sake of change

Warlord RhinarkAug 21, 20181 votes

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So you're basically going to argue about bonus 25 range. That's reasonable, but i won't. There's no problem for me for her having 200 or 175, if she's balanced with 200, there's no reason to do a change for a sake of change

Considering her 48% win rate, she's not balanced in the slightest.

Of course, a 48% win rate shouldn't warrant a nerf, but hopefully if her auto attack range is lowered, her power budget can allow some power being allocated back into her abilities.

Source: https://champion.gg/champion/Irelia/Top?

JefftiffyAug 22, 20181 votes

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Considering her 48% win rate, she's not balanced in the slightest.

Of course, a 48% win rate shouldn't warrant a nerf, but hopefully if her auto attack range is lowered, her power budget can allow some power being allocated back into her abilities.

Source: https://champion.gg/champion/Irelia/Top?

25 aa range really isn't that much when you already have a gap closer to get in range and most of your CC is projected and one of your damage sources locks you down for it. The reason she was imbalanced before was how much range her kit had for its damage. Nerfing her AA range doesn't solve that. 25 range is very minuscule. It is literally less than 8% of the base MS. If she actually goes aggressive she loses her wave control tool which is about all she has for damage in short trades other than her stun.

Warlord RhinarkAug 22, 20181 votes

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25 aa range really isn't that much when you already have a gap closer to get in range and most of your CC is projected and one of your damage sources locks you down for it. The reason she was imbalanced before was how much range her kit had for its damage. Nerfing her AA range doesn't solve that. 25 range is very minuscule. It is literally less than 8% of the base MS. If she actually goes aggressive she loses her wave control tool which is about all she has for damage in short trades other than her stun.

If this 25 range really is "very miniscule", then why are you against the idea of removing it?

It's clearly not that miniscule, then.

One thing I want to make clear, I don't want her AA range to be reduced by 25 because I find it broken. I want it reduced by 25 range because:

A. Nobody else has 200 base range,so for the sake of equality, she shouldn't have it either.

B. This would allow her power budget to allocate some power back into her abilities.

The Bad TouchAug 22, 20181 votes

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Not most melee champions.

I'd be perfectly fine if they gave her 600 range and made her a "ranged" champions.

Basically your point was pretty pointless.

Warlord RhinarkAug 22, 20181 votes

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I'd be perfectly fine if they gave her 600 range and made her a "ranged" champions.

Basically your point was pretty pointless.

What's this even supposed to mean?

Just because you're fine with her being a ranged champion, my point is suddenly "pointless"?

What?

The Bad TouchAug 22, 20181 votes

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What's this even supposed to mean?

Just because you're fine with her being a ranged champion, my point is suddenly "pointless"?

What?

That lump on top of your neck isn't a tumor. Try using it.

Warlord RhinarkAug 22, 20181 votes

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That lump on top of your neck isn't a tumor. Try using it.

Can you at least tell me what I did to provoke this response from you?

I just asked a question, I don't know why you resort to insulting me.

L RayquazaAug 21, 20181 votes

TahmKench actually has 200 auto range

nelogisAug 21, 20185 votes

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actually has 200 auto range

You mean he USED to have 200? It got nerfed down to 175 because it was too oppressive in laning phase for other melee champions.

ankoanko19Aug 26, 20181 votes

Because she gets weaker base stats because of it. Nevermind the fact that her champion model is 20% larger than how it was pre-rework so even with 200 range it feels like you have 175.