there has to be another way to approach akali shroud

Atlªs·8/20/2018, 7:27:10 AM·13 votes·5,966 views

this ability is just so fucking annoying. it is like yasuo wind wall but for literally everything. I can't fucking click on her, I get dove under tower and slowed by her Q, I can't even see what she's planning to do next. there is very little trasparency and the cool down is a joke

17 Comments

Warlord Rhinark8/20/2018, 8:03:48 AM12 votes

Make it cost Energy instead of giving it for free.

Shift the Energy restore power over to her passive so it actually feels rewarding to dart in and out of combat to proc it.

Zero Shingetsu8/20/2018, 7:58:03 AM9 votes

I'm sure there is, but I wouldn't approach it if I were on the task.

Akali's shroud feels really nice now. I used to hate it, but I like what it's become. You get glimpses of her now; brief chances to leap on her, where before you got none at all (unless you had true sight). The ring expands and she has to move with it or be exposed. As for tower diving, I've... actually never been successfully tower dived by an Akali. Like Fizz, Sejuani or Kayn, she's now a champion you simply can't stick to the tower against when low. "Discretion is the better part of valor" being a tired phrase as it is, it rings true here. Gotta know when to head back to base and fight another day against Akali.

Netorare8/20/2018, 9:17:49 AM7 votes

At least its more balanced than his windwall since u can still hit her with abilities.

Sensanaty8/20/2018, 2:46:48 PM4 votes

The cooldown is 17 seconds during laning phase and 11 at rank 5 (assuming no CDR), and that only starts counting down AFTER it's dissipated, but okay.

Other than that, her new shroud is a lot better than her old one was in terms of fairness. No more blink, she actually has to use it a lot more intelligently and while her tower diving is pretty strong (she will still take turret damage with every single procced attack/ability), pretty much every bruiser/assassin and hell, even mage has better diving capabilities than her current form, because she relies on DPS and poke more than anything now. It's also her only source of safety in lane, and if she uses it all the way at your tower and your jungler doesn't capitalize on that immediately, well that's just low ELO things I guess. Same as her old shroud, don't fight her in it, because you'll automatically lose that trade. I don't know why people have always been adamant on fighting her literally in the middle of her shroudwhere she can easily proc 2 or 3 passives on you. Once it's done, Akali is actually very squishy and blows up.

Maybe the true invisibility should go, but other than that, it's a LOT better in pretty much every single way than her old shroud was.

SEKAI8/20/2018, 8:08:33 AM3 votes

The fact Akali can heal from her ever-spammy Q with the meaningless-ly fake condition that it needs nearly full energy (which she has access to it as long as she's not in the middle of combat, which is a pointless condition as it's not a condition at all; now adding to that and the Q itself has like 0 CD) meant that CertainlyT knew that shroud could be used to camp people under their own turret, but precisely designed it as such. The "Akali can still be hit once she shows up" is such a meaningless counterplay when you realise that Akali can also heal whilst doing damage to you from stealth under your turret (that can't be fully revealed nor lock-on/clicked on even under turret because reasons) .

At this point, something should be done about his stupid metagaming of power budgets, implementation of intentionally fake conditions and fake counterplays in their shitty designs, and the ever-unstoppable radicalisation of champ concept that knows no bounds, rules, or any all proper considerations in regards to design logic 101 and the player experience of the game.

Ambient Snow8/20/2018, 4:10:34 PM1 votes

Her shroud is perfectly fine with the rework and I find it a lot easier to counter play her with it. with the fact you can actually see a silhouette so you can use your skill shots on her or bindings to get away or keep on her. previously she could just shroud and sit in it and just blow you up this way it actually applies some form of counter play ..

Example champions like Garen, amumu, morg. kat and so on can still see her moving in the shroud when your close enough so just fire your aoes on her.. heck even a wu kong can mess her up while shes in it..

the problem is yes shes strong on tower diving. but that's at one now with how weak towers are and if you're that low on hp heck yea she can dive you but ahri and leblanc kennen, and a lot more assassins a can do it too. hell Tryn can chase you under a tower ult and blow you up and spin out with out dying .

deadlychuck8/20/2018, 8:32:28 AM1 votes

Honestly, there's no reason for it to make her actually go stealth. Just making her untargetable would probably still make it a strong ability.

It seems like it was more a theme decision to have her be stealth as opposed to anything to do with balance.

Bonipherus8/20/2018, 6:01:47 PM1 votes

shroud needs to be an ultimate to be remotely justifiable as an ability

Tahminatrix 8/20/2018, 10:00:27 PM1 votes

I ended up stunning and eating an akali in her shroud as TahmKench so there is apparently some way to get her....

She definitely wasn't visible still, I only saw a glimmer effect, no username/healthbar but my 3 stacks popped up next to the glimmer so I tried to W and it ended up working...

We both were going WTF in chat...

MarkedOfKane8/20/2018, 10:34:35 PM1 votes

Its literally stealth but better for no reason. Just make it a cloud that will stealth her if shes standing in it.

SugeMinPikk8/20/2018, 4:14:53 PM1 votes

I think it should just be reverted. LET ME BUFFER JUMP, DAMNIT