How do you built pure tank and still die in 2seconds

AquariusGine·Sep 27, 2019·17 votes·9,562 views

[zombie-brand-mindblown]

Seriously, HOW?

Can we lower the prices of tank items? So at least tanks can have a midgame?

40 Comments

Handy Sandy Sep 27, 201914 votes

maybe dont tank the entire enemy team under their own fountain

Jesi OniSep 27, 201911 votes

Lower the price for warmog and visage item 3083 item 3065

[vlad-salute]

ExplodingFist66Sep 27, 20194 votes

That will be a huge buff for Mundo

Pals Before GalsSep 28, 20192 votes

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That will be a huge buff for Mundo

Please don't make me think about it. Mundo is already OP enough as it is.

Ionian VulpixSep 27, 201910 votes

Because you likely got caught out by multiple people.

Daddy AntsSep 27, 20199 votes

No tanks die in 2 seconds though.

Minimac2000Sep 27, 20193 votes

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No tanks die in 2 seconds though.

It's generally 3-4 before you die in a no one is fed situation, that's correct. If anyone is fed though 2 is definitely doable. Still feels like ass tho, like you are winning by playing grey screen simulator. It's why i stopped playing tanks this season

The thigh guySep 27, 20195 votes

Because your stats don’t exist. Take EVERY piece of armor you have. Now reduce it by 51.6%. That’s your real armor after the enemy nukes it.

Now take your magic resistance. Now reduce it by 40% and then an additional 36 flat. That’s your real mr.

And stacking hp is a joke. You litteraly just become a tool for the enemy team to lifesteal off with the inevitable Bork.

The23rdGamerSep 27, 20195 votes

Idk about you but I still see beefy champions like Alistar Braum Chogath DrMundo Garen Illaoi Leona Malphite Nasus Poppy Rammus Sejuani Shen Sion TahmKench Vladimir etc take awhile to kill if they're played well.

Being a tank doesn't mean being invincible. It means taking longer to kill than a squishy champion if played well while usually (but not always) having decent utility abilities to help out your team. [sg-syndra]

BrightWîngsSep 28, 20192 votes

The reason these champions are some times hard to kill are because ( not disregarding your point because it is a fair point) Alistar gets a stupid amount of Damage reduction from his ult up 75% Braum Also has damage reduction up to 40% AND can gain resistances from W up to 26 armor and MR puls scaling Chogath gets infinite scaling HP with R DrMundo R heals for a ton but if you apply GW on him its actually a lot easier to kill Garen Has damage reduction and gets free stats from his W Illaoi almost doesn't build any tank items at all she just heals for a shit ton with item 3812 Leona gets a really strong amount of armor and MR from W Malphite I actually disagree with this one unless if a team is full AD hes actually not that tnaky reason why people just build him full AP rather than tank Nasus R increases his HP up to 600 and heals for a ton really often with passive Poppy gets a little bit of free armor and MR from W passive but when shes below I think 40% HP that number doubles Rammus sort of the same deal as but i do feel Rammus tank is better than tank malphite because he can go After shock effectively Sejuani Passive gives a ton of free resist but after shes hit 3 seconds later she will die fairly quickly Shen gets a shield and can block all damage from auto attacks Sion gets a shield and infinite scaling HP for just playing the game lol TahmKench basically has 2 HP bars lol

There is a few points im trying to make here and the first point is only 4 of these champions are Top lane tanks which is what majority of people are upset about and both Chogath and Sion are almost never picked. (not counting juggernauts or malphite because no one whos trying to win builds malphite tank see here https://www.probuilds.net/champions/details/Malphite

Other point is that they all have really good abilities/ passives that make them tanky but once they buy a item 3135 or a item 3036 they are basically an AD carry with 4k HP and no damage and this is the issue for at least top lane tanks because you bend over all lane phase because you get shit on by most meta top lane champs mid game is when youre the tankiest and late you actually die instantly after engaging to just about everybody and to mention their are just some champions that just SUCK at killing tanky champs such as Jhin Lux Orianna Fizz Shaco Kalista Talon Syndra

its mainly top tanks who have it bad because they build the actual tank items such as item 3068 item 3075 item 3065 support tanks have the luxury of being able to have a 1 fellow teammate with that almost at all times and support items are much cheaper and do just as good of a job as a main tank's items. Top tanks cant really build items like item 3109 item 3050 or item 3190 until it gets later in the game to where they can use them effectively

Again fair points I do feel how long tanks live is exaggerated a little bit they dont really get one shot but I do feel they die way too quickly for spending all of their gold throughout the entire game to not die

CdoreSep 28, 20191 votes

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Idk about you but I still see beefy champions like etc take awhile to kill if they're played well.

Being a tank doesn't mean being invincible. It means taking longer to kill than a squishy champion if played well while usually (but not always) having decent utility abilities to help out your team. [sg-syndra]

Playing well for a tank is very difficult. It means play back like a pussy and hope one of your other teammates has a ranged cc to help start a fight so you don't get blown up and cc'd yourself. Tanks are no longer a frontline like they use to be. They're this weird bruiser but not really. I've seen Riven do more work on a team than any tank I could have picked. A tank should be able to survive far longer than a Riven in a teamfight who is also killing anyone that gets near her. A tank should at least be able to have three or four times her defense since he can't nuke someone like she can. Stuff like that.

mack9112Sep 27, 20195 votes

I play tanks all the time and definitely don’t die in 2 second.

Maybe you are playing wrong ?

Darkdemon653Sep 27, 20194 votes

Price isn't an issue; the items already cost less than offensive items. The three issues are the items don't give any stats, the fact that most defense scales with only two stats while auto-attacks scale with four and offensive abilities scale with three, and the fact that anyone building defense has to build against two damage types while anyone building offense has to build for only one.

CAT GIRL HENTAlSep 27, 20194 votes

Alistar can decrease tower shot to 20 dmg per hit....so just go alistar :)

Sinister AnubisSep 27, 20194 votes

Prove it!

PumpedheroSep 27, 20194 votes

Absolutely not. Tanks dont die nearly as fast as people say they do. if they do, u build them wrong.

BrightWîngsSep 27, 20193 votes

Not disregarding that tank items are pretty bad right now but the thing I do is:

Always take after shock if you can reliably use it. Grasp would be good if you have any real potential of fighting or trading with your opponent which in toplane at least is almost never most the meta picks will completely destroy you in trades and if you engage any fight youre probably just gonna die instantly without after shock

Take conditioning a very underrated rune imo it will often give you about 30 free armor and MR

over growth is obvious not an insane rune but its better than the other 2 options

and double resist runes for who ever your opponent is

I take inspiration for biscuits and time warp and buy item 2033 to have some sustain

once in game I type to my jungler to leave me alone and camp other lanes because giving me any sort of lead means nothing if im against a Darius Aatrox Kled Illaoi Fiora ect. they will still shit on you so just bend over and try not to die.

last but not least hope your team doesn't int or mental boom before you can even effect the game.

[galio-happy]

Minimac2000Sep 27, 20192 votes

{quoted}

Not disregarding that tank items are pretty bad right now but the thing I do is:

Always take after shock if you can reliably use it. Grasp would be good if you have any real potential of fighting or trading with your opponent which in toplane at least is almost never most the meta picks will completely destroy you in trades and if you engage any fight youre probably just gonna die instantly without after shock

Take conditioning a very underrated rune imo it will often give you about 30 free armor and MR

over growth is obvious not an insane rune but its better than the other 2 options

and double resist runes for who ever your opponent is

I take inspiration for biscuits and time warp and buy to have some sustain

once in game I type to my jungler to leave me alone and camp other lanes because giving me any sort of lead means nothing if im against a ect. they will still shit on you so just bend over and try not to die.

last but not least hope your team doesn't int or mental boom before you can even effect the game.

[galio-happy]

Pretty sure flat hp runes were mathematically proven to be better than double resist (your lane opponent) bc the amount of armor mr are such a joke

BrightWîngsSep 28, 20191 votes

see I always felt the opposite 90HP at level 18 feels so pointless sure a little extra HP never hurt nothing but with the armor or MR rune I get it all instantly at level 1 if you go double armor you get 12 armor almost a full item 1029 and typically most tanks build item 3068 so I can buy a item 3751 and maybe a or item 1031 depending on how lane goes first back and have a little bit of armor to back it up

Minimac2000Sep 27, 20191 votes

{quoted}

Not disregarding that tank items are pretty bad right now but the thing I do is:

Always take after shock if you can reliably use it. Grasp would be good if you have any real potential of fighting or trading with your opponent which in toplane at least is almost never most the meta picks will completely destroy you in trades and if you engage any fight youre probably just gonna die instantly without after shock

Take conditioning a very underrated rune imo it will often give you about 30 free armor and MR

over growth is obvious not an insane rune but its better than the other 2 options

and double resist runes for who ever your opponent is

I take inspiration for biscuits and time warp and buy to have some sustain

once in game I type to my jungler to leave me alone and camp other lanes because giving me any sort of lead means nothing if im against a ect. they will still shit on you so just bend over and try not to die.

last but not least hope your team doesn't int or mental boom before you can even effect the game.

[galio-happy]

Also... aatrox is weak af rn, if you are someone like poppy who has actual damage you can win that lane pretty easily. I can also tell you that illaoi poops on almost all tanks but if you get a jg gank 6+ seconds after she ults she is dead meat no matter how fed. All the rest... yeah, don't pick a tank into any of those or jax if you value your non-suicidal tendencies

BrightWîngsSep 28, 20191 votes

Yes he has been getting nailed with some nerfs but I put him there because I know in his more meta time he was really difficult to play against as a tank. It was kinda stupid of me not to mention Jax but I guess I cant list all the champions XD

AlterMordredSep 27, 20194 votes

{quoted}

Not disregarding that tank items are pretty bad right now but the thing I do is:

Always take after shock if you can reliably use it. Grasp would be good if you have any real potential of fighting or trading with your opponent which in toplane at least is almost never most the meta picks will completely destroy you in trades and if you engage any fight youre probably just gonna die instantly without after shock

Take conditioning a very underrated rune imo it will often give you about 30 free armor and MR

over growth is obvious not an insane rune but its better than the other 2 options

and double resist runes for who ever your opponent is

I take inspiration for biscuits and time warp and buy to have some sustain

once in game I type to my jungler to leave me alone and camp other lanes because giving me any sort of lead means nothing if im against a ect. they will still shit on you so just bend over and try not to die.

last but not least hope your team doesn't int or mental boom before you can even effect the game.

[galio-happy]

Vayne item 3124 item 3153 huehuehuehuehuehhueeuheuehuehuehuehuehueu

BrightWîngsSep 28, 20191 votes

Well as much as a I hate playing a tank against vayne I understand that is what he is meant to counter tanks same as Fiora but shes played more top lane is why I put her there

CdoreSep 28, 20191 votes

{quoted}

Not disregarding that tank items are pretty bad right now but the thing I do is:

Always take after shock if you can reliably use it. Grasp would be good if you have any real potential of fighting or trading with your opponent which in toplane at least is almost never most the meta picks will completely destroy you in trades and if you engage any fight youre probably just gonna die instantly without after shock

Take conditioning a very underrated rune imo it will often give you about 30 free armor and MR

over growth is obvious not an insane rune but its better than the other 2 options

and double resist runes for who ever your opponent is

I take inspiration for biscuits and time warp and buy to have some sustain

once in game I type to my jungler to leave me alone and camp other lanes because giving me any sort of lead means nothing if im against a ect. they will still shit on you so just bend over and try not to die.

last but not least hope your team doesn't int or mental boom before you can even effect the game.

[galio-happy]

You and I are kindred spirits the way you wrote all the woes I'm experiencing.

BrightWîngsSep 29, 20191 votes

Hahaha because its true

SaezioSep 27, 20193 votes

Just don't play tanks 4head...

Really though, I hate it. I think the defensive stats need to be revised.

There are fucking adaptive offensive stats so maybe give some adaptive defences too. Something that reduces both physical and magic damage. Or give items that reduce damage straight up. Like -20% incoming magic/physical damage after mitigation.

AlienPrimateSep 27, 20193 votes

You play against Fiora, Vayne, and Master Yi and proceed to go in 1 vs 5. That is how you die as pure tank in 2 seconds.

ZullarSep 27, 20193 votes

S9...

ThefrostyvikingSep 27, 20192 votes

Some champs ignore defenses almost entirely thus they are meaningless if said champs are present x)

Pandemic PunchSep 27, 20192 votes

You know it's bad when even hashinshin is saying tanks are too weak now.

OneMustFallSep 27, 20192 votes

You don't. At least not in League.

jocomotionSep 28, 20192 votes

Did you not have Aftershock/ Guardian/ Grasp?

Where you playing an actual tank champion?

Where you caught alone by three or more people?

Did you actually build full tank items and not off tank?

Where you caught at full health?

Where you ahead?

Where they behind?

Do you have actual video evidence?

If the answer to two or more of these is no then either you’re not playing an actual tank, you don’t know how, or you’re whining because you just got beat. And this is coming from a guy who LOVES full tank champs.

Right now they’re fine. Damage is maybe still a weee but too high, but most of that is champion specific nowadays and not the entire game. It’s no longer a problem that needs to be overblown.

PhearBunnySep 27, 20191 votes

How do i build full lethality, 500AD Nocturne and still not be able to kill a ADC in a full rotation? Idk man, game is busted. Play a meta tank, they tank longer to die.

BobaFlautistSep 27, 20191 votes

True damage, percent pen Split damage types, halved regen These are a tank's most hated foes, ignore your strength with every blow...

But a greater foe yet strikes you down And spits on you, prone on the ground, Damage values have far surpassed Your measly health, resistances massed

Tankbusters though they may be eager provide something now far too meager what need have they to pierce your wall? Overwhelming force fells all!

MihalikbSep 27, 20191 votes

I have 4 words for you.

True damage and mages.

AP users basically do true damage all the time and MR is useless. The only MR "tank items" in game worth anything are Boots and Spirit Visage and you don't take either for the MR.

Seriously spell pen needs to be gutted.

SamBunnzlySep 28, 20191 votes

The lowering of tank item costs would make them too affordable and effective on non-tank champions. A kassadin could safely pick up Abyssal Mask without much consequence because it's cheap, makes him more durable, and still gives him a little damage. AD assassins could run Dead Man's Plate for the extra auto damage without sacrificing too much.

its all about payoff. There are many other, more useful items that an assassin can buy with 3k gold. If you lower the cost of tank items below that threshold, they risk making assassins and other non-tanks too powerful, causing the meta to basically turn inside out and upside down through their ass, and become something I really really don't want to see.