draven is complete garbage.

Woook3r·May 15, 2016·1 votes·1,808 views

Full build draven vs full build lucian. Lucian just wins. Lucian wins early, late, wins on mobility and safety. Has more burst. Kills tanks better. Kills squishies better. Is better in lane.

39 Comments

Buff Jax pleaseMay 15, 20164 votes

Yo Draven destroys Lucian at any point of the game...you must be bad at Draven.

DeclinedMay 15, 20162 votes

If you can't even spell his name right, how can I expect you to know how to play him?

Woook3rMay 15, 20161 votes

because I have hundreds of games on him. im not the only one to say this about him. geranimo called him a trash ad and several others have as well.

DeclinedMay 15, 20161 votes

Yet you still can't get his name right, perhaps it is time for you to stop and think on how you go about this first. If you want some advice I wrote this a while back about the principles of bottom lane, it should give you a decent understanding of the laning principles, or at the very least give you somewhere to start off of. I reviewed some of your matches with Draven and saw a plenty of pretty big mistakes with your runes and masteries.

For instance, the stat Draven benefit from the most is raw AD, all of his abilities scale off of AD, his Q even have an amazing .85 scaling, but you can only have 2 spinning at the same time (+those in the air), anything more than that causes problems because you'll have to move around a lot in order to catch axes which can impair your DPS. Extra AS is somewhat inefficient after a certain point because of the AS increase from his W. If we compare keystone masteries the one you've chosen is 'Fervor' which means you'll have to increase your AS significantly in order to make it work properly, which is counter productive. If you had gone for Warlords Bloodlust you would have an increased effectiveness off of it by up to 85% since you can lifesteal off your Spinning Axes.

I have many times the amount of games as Draven as you do, please stop making a mockery of him, this is just disgraceful.

Swiftstrike4May 15, 20162 votes

Draven is one of the strongest ADCs if he gets a kill due to his passive. The lane is over essentially because he gets better items and he scales WAY better than lucian. He is a notch below a hyper carry ADC. If they get kills AND farm well they can single handedly carry a game. Hyper carries Jinx Vayne Twitch KogMaw One notch below Tristana Corki Draven The other ADCs fall into a category below them.

Woook3rMay 15, 20161 votes

every adc is one of the strongest adc's if they get a kill in lane...its called snowballing...

Rabid HuskyMay 15, 20161 votes

draven is much more snowbally tho, one kill is the kill gold+50+ and double his stacks so without a kill it isnt crazy to say double double his cs so at about 100 cs he will get around 700 gold just off a single kill. this is ideal and if no agression happens against draven until hes ready but regardless if you lose to lucian 1 v 1 then you mustv'e afkd for a few mins and fed him atleast 2 kills

Woook3rMay 15, 20161 votes

Hes not much more snowbally. He has no safety. You lvl of snowball means nothing when you are dead. Id rather be a 3/0 jinx than a 3/0 draven any day of the week.

Rabid HuskyMay 15, 20161 votes

yup a displacer that slows and a speed up isn't "safety" compaired to a single dash on lucian or a root that takes more than a second to actually root. isn't this about draven v lucian tho?, since when did you feel adding jinx in? regardless at 3 kills assuming no farm he gets 150 more gold than jinx just right there not to mention he has a better kit than jinx atm but he is very risk reward if the enemy is smart enough to camp you or your support decides to pick their nose then you probably will die as draven with a decent amount of stacks before you can cash in which only worsens when your team decides you don't need a kill at all. over all its why I backed off jinx this season and main draven so far with better results granted the support is half way decent. REMEMBER KIDS YOU ARE NOTHING WITHOUT YOUR SUPPORT!

Woook3rMay 15, 20161 votes

this thread is about draven and how he is garbage.

Woook3rMay 15, 20161 votes

i fyou think jinx has a bad kit your fucking clueless.

Swiftstrike4May 15, 20162 votes

No, when Draven gets a kill and cashes in the lane is probably done. Most other ADCs can get a kill and you can still lane if the CS is even. 300 gold is not going to break the bot lane and "snowball" it. Now if the CS is not even, and person getting the kill is up in CS they will come back with way better items and then snowball the lane.

Draven is significantly better than Lucian in a 1v1 even match-up (skill and items).

Lucian is pretty mediocre if he doesn't capitalize on his strengths in laning and get kills.

Woook3rMay 15, 20161 votes

I tried to duel lucian when we were both at full build. I had a blood thirster, 100% crit, RFC, and the static shyv crit proc for 400 dmg. Got the first and second attack off before lucian started to attack me and he annihilated me thru a BT shield. Kid had 500 hp remaining. Tell me how Draven wins a 1v1 with lucian again? If he flashes the lucian Q?

When draven goes 1/0 after 5 min of farming, its worth 550 gold in total, tops. Thats a BF sword and a pickaxe and that dont mean jack shit in a duo lane, bud. If your support doesnt back you up 100% then you are dead meat if you try to go in. Morgana q + lucian burst kills you instantly everytime. Tell me how the pickaxe advantage ends the laning phase? Its a duo lane. You need dmg and safety or some outplay potential as well. Draven has only one of those.

AlwaysByMySideMay 15, 20162 votes

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I tried to duel lucian when we were both at full build. I had a blood thirster, 100% crit, RFC, and the static shyv crit proc for 400 dmg. Got the first and second attack off before lucian started to attack me and he annihilated me thru a BT shield. Kid had 500 hp remaining. Tell me how Draven wins a 1v1 with lucian again? If he flashes the lucian Q?

When draven goes 1/0 after 5 min of farming, its worth 550 gold in total, tops. Thats a BF sword and a pickaxe and that dont mean jack shit in a duo lane, bud. If your support doesnt back you up 100% then you are dead meat if you try to go in. Morgana q + lucian burst kills you instantly everytime. Tell me how the pickaxe advantage ends the laning phase? Its a duo lane. You need dmg and safety or some outplay potential as well. Draven has only one of those.

Sounds like your build was shit friend. Why do you need that much attack speed and crit? Also, did you juggle your axes? Probably not.

Also, I like how you're calling the better player who outplayed you and ass bolo'd you in a 1v1 a "kid". Grow up.

EndGamer11May 15, 20162 votes

Found your problem.

Not only did you have BOTH RFC and SS (subpar items on Draven), and NOT ONLY was Lucian packing a Black Cleaver (300 HP) and a PD (12% damage reduction), but their team had 3 INFERNAL DRAGONS. 24% bonus AD for Lucian.

Here is a transcript of the fight for people who don't want to look at the replay. MS=MightySaturn=Draven, items are item 1018 item 3006 item 3094 item 3087 item 3072 item 3031 Luc=Lucian, items are item 3142 item 3071 item 3046 item 1053

MS autos Lucian (Luc HP 1891 -> 1258) MS autos Lucian (Luc HP 1258 -> 936) Lucian autos with passive MS (MS HP 1467 (NO BT SHIELD!!!!) -> 1114) MS autos Lucian (Luc HP 999 -> 726) Luc Q's MS (1009 -> 623) Lucian autos with passive MS (MS HP 726 -> DED)(Double crit)

Mecha MaIphiteMay 15, 20161 votes

*draaaaaven

ModWulf HelhammerMay 15, 20161 votes

If you lost to a Lucian with a 100% crit Draven, then that's not on Draven, that's on you.

Woook3rMay 15, 20161 votes

go look at the replay. I hit him from 600 range with a spinning axe, got my bt shield up, then he came in and burst me down before my third auto even landed on his character.

Woook3rMay 15, 20161 votes

you need to go look at the replay, bud. Time for a reality check. Draven is not that strong. Heres the replay text.

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you paste this into your cmd prompt and it will pull the replay. The duel starts at 42 min 17 seconds.

My first auto, which is a static + rfc CRIT deals 420 physical dmg + 93 magic dmg. (WTF. My static shyv should do 300 upon a crit and my rfc should do 160)

My second auto deals 315.

My third auto deals 217 cause his phantom dancer kicked in. Lucian was at 712 hp. If I had a second spinning axe, I would have dealt an additional 200 dmg to him (at MOST) and he would have been at 500 hp.

I did not get a fourth auto.

Lucains first auto dealt 600 dmg. His passive dealt another 300.

He then q'd and passive auto attacked. resulting in my death.

RandomoniumMay 15, 20161 votes

A full build Draven is one of the most terrifying champions in the game, especially since he can reach full build faster than just about any other champion thanks to his passive.

The only way this actually happened the way you claim is if you dropped your axes.

Woook3rMay 15, 20161 votes

...lucian bursted me in less than a second and it takes two seconds for an axe to fall. there was no time for me to drop an axe.

RandomoniumMay 15, 20161 votes

A match history link would be great because right now it's not adding up.

Woook3rMay 15, 20161 votes

you need to go look at the replay, bud. Time for a reality check. Draven is not that strong. Heres the replay text.

you paste this into your cmd prompt and it will pull the replay. The duel starts at 42 min 17 seconds.

My first auto, which is a static + rfc CRIT deals 420 physical dmg + 93 magic dmg. (WTF. My static shyv should do 300 upon a crit and my rfc should do 160)

My second auto deals 315.

I did not get a fourth auto.

Lucains first auto dealt 600 dmg. His passive dealt another 300.

He then q'd and passive auto attacked. resulting in my death.

RandomoniumMay 15, 20163 votes

You honestly can't figure out why he beat you in that duel?

You left the fountain 450 HP below your max and without having your bloodthirster shield up. On top of this Lucian had more health than you since he built a Black Cleaver.
Lucian had 3 infernal drakes whick meant he had a 24% bonus to AD. During the duel he had a whopping 387 AD while you only had 245 AD.
Lucian also had 111 Armor while you only had 63.
He crit you on pretty much every attack.
He had armor pen items while you had none which meant he was basically doing true damage to you.

So if an ADC starts the duel with over 400 more health than you (Lucian had around 1900 health and you had around 1400) AND also has over 100 AD more than you AND he has double your armor AND also has more armor penetration HOW CAN YOU HONESTLY EXPECT TO WIN THE DUEL. The fact that you NEARLY killed him despite him having such a HUGE advantage just shows you how powerful Draven can be. You had no business even coming close in that duel.

/thread

Woook3rMay 15, 20161 votes

I had twice the lifesteal, twice the crit, the first strike, and had a gold lead. I landed two autos before he was able to respond, he killed me in the time it took to throw one more auto. If draven is so powerful, you would think he would do more than 421 dmg on a crit....and I fail to see how 421 dmg is significantly overpowered at 650 range.

AlwaysByMySideMay 15, 20161 votes

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I had twice the lifesteal, twice the crit, the first strike, and had a gold lead. I landed two autos before he was able to respond, he killed me in the time it took to throw one more auto. If draven is so powerful, you would think he would do more than 421 dmg on a crit....and I fail to see how 421 dmg is significantly overpowered at 650 range.

He apparently massively out-statted you. Why are you surprised?

RandomoniumMay 15, 20162 votes

He had over 100 armor which cut your damage in half. On top of that he had over 100 more AD. On top of that he had tons of armor penetration. On top of that he started the fight with close to 500 HP more than you (which is about what he had left when the duel was over.) Life steal and crit don't matter when you're at that much of a disadvantage. He built for the 1v1, you built for the team fight.

You could have been on ANY ADC and he could have been on ANY ADC and you would have lost that fight. He just had way more stats than you.

Woook3rMay 15, 20161 votes

I got the first and second attack in before he got even one attack. That healed me to 1800 hp which I was counting on. He then burst me for 1800 hp in the time it took to throw one more auto at 2.2 as.

He ended the fight with more than 700 hp. for the record.

RandomoniumMay 15, 20161 votes

Yep, that's what happens when your opponent had over 100 AD more than you, tons of armor penetration, and gets a few crits. Like I said, you could have been playing any ADC and he could have been playing any ADC and the result could have been the same. You could have been playing Lucian and he could have been playing Urgot and he still would have beat you and you'd be on the forums complaining how Urgot is overpowered. All champs are overpowered when they have a ton more stats than you.

AlwaysByMySideMay 15, 20161 votes

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You honestly can't figure out why he beat you in that duel?

You left the fountain 450 HP below your max and without having your bloodthirster shield up. On top of this Lucian had more health than you since he built a Black Cleaver.

Lucian had 3 infernal drakes whick meant he had a 24% bonus to AD. During the duel he had a whopping 387 AD while you only had 245 AD.

Lucian also had 111 Armor while you only had 63.

He crit you on pretty much every attack.

He had armor pen items while you had none which meant he was basically doing true damage to you.

So if an ADC starts the duel with over 400 more health than you (Lucian had around 1900 health and you had around 1400) AND also has over 100 AD more than you AND he has double your armor AND also has more armor penetration HOW CAN YOU HONESTLY EXPECT TO WIN THE DUEL. The fact that you NEARLY killed him despite him having such a HUGE advantage just shows you how powerful Draven can be. You had no business even coming close in that duel.

/thread

How did Luc have 111 armour?

Woook3rMay 15, 20161 votes

lucian also has a 150% ratio on his passive auto and it can all crit. Draven just has 185% and only a portion of it can crit. Lucian is the better pick in all metas. The 525 range for lucian means nothing when lightslinger is the best harass in bot lane.

CaítlynMay 15, 20161 votes

Draven > Lucian

In One for All mode we had this game and Dravens stomped.

There are no external factors in this mode (junglers, supports etc) Its just counters.

Woook3rMay 15, 20162 votes

You know, one time I saw someone play ryse in urf and he wiped the floor with EVERY OTHER CHAMPION IN THE GAME BAR NONE. Therefore ryse is the best champion in the game.

The above statement is no less valid than yours.

CrossetteMay 15, 20161 votes

You're comparing Draven, one of the easiest ADCs, to Lucian, one of the strongest.

Nickfer2510May 15, 20161 votes

Draven is a beast if u don't disrupt him. He practically depends on his support to farm and get stacks constantly and safely. if he cashes in those stacks without getting killed, he clearly has an advantage in items, and subsequentially damage output . Even without escapes, at his peak, Draven is really good. However, he depends on a lot of factors to reach that peak, so that's the reason many people prefer to not play him

ll League God llMay 15, 20161 votes

This guy got a game posted about his lack of playing draven and lucian and reports it.. you are mighty toxic OP when you cant even take constructive criticism.

You literally rarely play either of those champs and make balance claims, thats ironic. Feel free to keep reporting posts you dont like in your thread.

Woook3rMay 15, 20161 votes

i dont think i reported anyone.