@Riot; State of Evelynn in 2016 and future rework (History of Evelynn, Warning Long)

Dominick Destine··3 votes·7,217 views

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http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=dominick+destine As a legendary Evelynn player, I have the following to say;

Historically; Eve tier was a tier that was all on its own, it was high, mid and low tier and then Eve tier because of how terrible she was. Regardless of that I had a lot of fun playing Quadra Sunfire troll stalking Evelynn, using her old Stealth Walk which lasted 40+ seconds, just standing next to someone as their health slowly drained and trolololing all the way to the base. This was one of her only viable gameplay modes. (NOTE: Timeline after S1 becomes a bit muddled)

Evelynn then went through a phase where she was brokenly overpowered because they slightly buffed her ultimate (Malice and Spite) alongside "Revive" which let her execute herself to monsters (Humiliation) and revive with massively boosted movement speed and HP, while retaining the level advantage against other enemy junglers or laners whom she could easily stalk.

This meant they needed to absolutely bury her with ultra nerfs, making her absolute garbage. Hence the rise of "Eve tier".

Fast forward about a year and a half and they completely reworked her into something similar to her current iteration; Hate Spike was now a linear, close range skill-shot with a fast traveling missile (This was massively nerfed), Stealth walk became Dark Frenzy, which had double movement speed boost (One passive (Bonus MS by striking enemy targets), one active, now it only has the active speed boost), Ravage was magic damage and Agony's Embrace was Maximum HP damage with double the AP ratio that it has now (100 AP =1% HP, used to be 50 AP = 1%HP bonus).

HOWEVER; Her stealth, stealth walk, was absolutely atrocious, the radius was so large that it was almost impossible to ever stalk anyone. So this left her in a bad position where her invisibility was practically useless but her abilities were very strong on their own.

They buffed her invisibility and slightly nerfed her abilities which excised her weakness making her an absolute monster for a full year. Having amazing stalking abilities, huge burst and amazing synergy with Deathfire Grasp.

Deathfire Grasp was nerfed. Agony's Embrace was nerfed. Ravage was nerfed. Hate Spike missile speed was chunked so mid Evelynn viability was removed. Her mana costs were increased. Her base stats were chunked.

She was gutted so badly that she returned to Eve tier. Fast forward to about.... S4. NEW CHANGES They very slightly reworked her by making Ravage apply on-hit effects but made it physical damage. They changed her stealth timer to decrease every time she hits her ult making her invisibility more available. This improved her mechanics and gave her a new burst rotation through on-hit interactions.

Fast forward to S5 ; The jungle was reworked and Enchantment Magus was replaced with Enchantment Runeglaive. This strangely made Evelynn viable again but also the addition of Hunter's Potion covering her weak sustain... leading to Evelynn nerfs because of her interactions. Then she got Sejuani'd because the main item she interacted with was nerfed anyway (Runeglaive) and eventually removed altogether leaving Evelynn in bad condition.

Fast Forward to S6 ; THIS IS THE IMPORTANT PART Evelynn is now up for a rework and it is understandable. She is arguably the most feast-or-famine character in the game. You gave her a combo basis with Agony's Embrace over Malice and Spite, you gave her a solid non-assassin basis with on-hit interactions, you (unfortunately) damaged her early game with leveling scaling.

Here is what I beg you to NOT do;

  • Don't 'fix' her early game. She needs to have terrible early clears in order to justify her early gank potential.
  • Don't eliminate her hybrid scalings but DO stop this leveling-spell scaling bullshit, what other champion was saddled with such a penalty?
  • Boost her stats per level. Her early game must be bad but in order to prevent her from falling off so hard is give her better stats per level rather than having some of the worst of all stats per level across the board , especially within her class.
  • For the love of god, fuse Dark Frenzy with Stealth Walk so she can get a real skill in its place. Dark Frenzy is a shadow (Pun intended) of what it used to be
  • Don't cave in and give her an assassination ult. Her current ult is necessary for decision making and team-fight presence, she doesn't need to be Rengar.
  • FIX HER ULTIMATE SHIELD, I've died countless times ulting someone when I'm near death, the ultimate going through but the shield not activating. That is one of the most frustrating bugs I've ever seen.
  • Finally, please give better stickiness; Prior to the nerf of Dark Frenzy she was the stickiest champions in the game but she got her movement nerf and at the same time League of Mobility came into play. Everyone has a dash and Evelynn gets less viable with each escape mechanism and defensive mechanism added. Make her stickier, for the level of risk involved in her gameplay (No stuns, no slow outside her ult, no built-in sustain, no gap closer, etc.) she needs to at least be able to catch anyone.

Thank you, I hope your future rework of Evelynn does not miss the mark (Cough Mordekaiser Skarner Cough)

22 Comments

Darius Strada2 votes

Damn it. Am I the only one who play AD Evelynn item 3117 item 1416 /item 1400 item 3153 item 3078 item 3071 item 3022 ? It's way funnier than AP Eve u.u

Delrinnen1 votes

Ayy that is my build! Lot of good games with that

Void Evelynn1 votes

I play with item 1408 item 3147 item 3074 item 3078 item 3036 item 3117, damn, you push and clear camps like hell and still do lots of damages.

catastrophicSkil2 votes

Evelynn is fine. as a eve main she has a few issues but a lot of that has to do with the rework of mages and also that high AP items cost too much gold

the only changes i think should be done is revert the nerf to her Q which loses projectile speed as it travels its kind of troll for how much CC is in the game i will agree how hard it is to stick to an enemy as eve and take the mana cost away from her W because it kills her ability to roam which is where eve's main advantage over other junglers

Dominick Destine1 votes

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Evelynn is fine. as a eve main

I am also an Evelynn main... except I was Diamond last year, am currently plat and will be Diamond later.

You are Silver and you were bronze last year. It is a very different game at high levels and Evelynn's style changes completely. It is easy to say Evelynn is "fine" when you're playing against garbage players. As players become more competent Evelynn's weaknesses become more sharp.

Regardless, she WILL get reworked, I am trying to convey to Riot what they should avoid doing.

Ralanr1 votes

Wait, she's up for a rework? I checked the rework page and haven't seen her. Nor have I noticed them announcing the assassin rework line up.

Did I miss something?

So this one time1 votes

skarner and morde reworks were fine >.>

Ralanr2 votes

MM wouldn't have become famous if the Mordekaiser rework was fine.

Mistress Shyvana1 votes

I love this post man/girl.

Also she's in the assassin rework for those who asked.

Ralanr1 votes

Where is the announcement?!

Dominick Destine1 votes

Notice me, Riot-sama.

Bears Dont Care2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=dv3V1AWg,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2016-07-27T01:25:28.476+0000)

Notice me, Riot-sama.

Unfortunately she is in a similar status to warwick. On rework list but very low on it, and considering we had to wait 3 years for ww to even hit the rework list, expect longer for evelynn if ever. I agree on the changes you suggest, as the leveling penalty is awful and outdates. The issue is riot has already stated they don't o back on their nerfs. Hell, they buffed hate spike by +10 then nerfed it by 20 making her even weaker than she was in s4.

It's part of why I don't enjoy the game quite as much anymore. Why voice ones opinion, however well informed, if the response boils down to "we like it so you will like it."

Dominick Destine2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Bears Dont Care,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=dv3V1AWg,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2016-07-27T01:42:56.584+0000)

Unfortunately she is in a similar status to warwick. On rework list but very low on it

She is on the top priority list given that the next set of reworks is "Assassins" of which she belongs to.

A rioter specifically gave a list that included her. Though no order was specified and she might be at the bottom of it , priority wise within said group.

Bears Dont Care1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=dv3V1AWg,comment-id=000500000000,timestamp=2016-07-27T02:03:02.623+0000)

She is on the top priority list given that the next set of reworks is "Assassins" of which she belongs to.

A rioter specifically gave a list that included her. Though no order was specified and she might be at the bottom of it , priority wise within said group.

I am a bit wary, as there was a period during s5 in which they referred to her as a fighter. If they do rework her, hopefully they will consider the suggestions made, but again, I am pessimistic with regards to riot.

Oleandervine1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Bears Dont Care,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=dv3V1AWg,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2016-07-27T01:42:56.584+0000)

Unfortunately she is in a similar status to warwick. On rework list but very low on it, and considering we had to wait 3 years for ww to even hit the rework list, expect longer for evelynn if ever. I agree on the changes you suggest, as the leveling penalty is awful and outdates. The issue is riot has already stated they don't o back on their nerfs. Hell, they buffed hate spike by +10 then nerfed it by 20 making her even weaker than she was in s4.

It's part of why I don't enjoy the game quite as much anymore. Why voice ones opinion, however well informed, if the response boils down to "we like it so you will like it."

Evelynn is very high, not very low. She was on the list of top 3 that included, in order of popularity, Galio, Evelynn, and Urgot. Meddler and a few others have stated in the past months that Eve's kit is s disastrous mess that isn't coherent with her fantasy or her gameplay ideal of being an assassin. Meddler has stated her permanent stealth being a massive problem for her kit power levels and that they would like to pull her away from ever needing to build tanky and push her towards an assassination style of play instead of a sustained damage dealer. He also noted her ultimate did not fit for an assassination playstyle. I agree with all he said, because Evelynn, while functional, is disjointed and her kit doesn't reflect the thematic of her character.

Rebonack1 votes

Pretty sure Eve is right after Galio, Wolfy, and Urgot in the rework queue. So... yeah. Pitching ideas to Riot is probably wise.

I'm with you on it being a terrible idea to give Eve more burst. Getting exploded instantly out of stealth is awful to play against. Eve's burst can be okay at best, but most of her damage should be sustained. Really curious what Riot is planning on doing with the game's best skirmisher/diver/assassin giant yordle lady.

Linna Excel1 votes

This is riot's rework team we are talking about here. Expect a 25% chance of them fixing her in a way that keeps people happy, a 25% chance of a meh rework, and a 50% chance of rage inducing crap that doesn't understand Evelynn at all.

Dominick Destine1 votes

Looking back at this thread; Evelynn with wings would be badass.

ChaotixSpark1 votes

I could care less if she gets a rework or not, I main Eve top and secondary Eve jg, as long as they don't mess with AD scalings, it's whatevs, but I absolutely need a better Eve skin. One that costs 1800 please and thank you.

Matake1 votes

Hey Twitch used to be Eve tier. The good old days.

Dominick Destine1 votes

{quoted}

Hey Twitch used to be Eve tier. The good old days.

Twitch was never Eve-tier. Eve was Eve tier; As in a tier so bad even the (other) worst champions were worlds above her.

Twitch was actually brokenly overpowered in S1.

Dominick Destine1 votes

Wow I remember this thread.

I was on fire, sexually.

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