Give Ryze back his numsbers

R0ses R Red·12/20/2019, 8:12:32 AM·16 votes·10,986 views

The issue with this champion isn't that he hits like a brick, plenty of champions do, it's that he hits like a brick while being absurdly hard to punish. Attack his range if you actually want to solve the issue. It doesn't matter how weak you make Ryze if I can't capitalize on that weakness. Ryze can farm entire waves without ever ONCE being in your threat range, thus killing him is difficult even if you are stronger.

Nerf his Spell Flux's range. No one cares about his Q alone, because it's actually relatively difficult to get hit by and offers no waveclear, and no one one cares about getting hit with Rune Prison alone, because it's just a weak slow. It's his stupid Spell Flux that's the centerpiece to this all. Nerf its range to **at least **550 and buff up his numbers if he dips too hard, IDC. Just let me punish the champion.

He needs to pay an actual price for his waveclear. If that price won't be cooldowns(resets) or mana(since he builds a ton of it), let it be actual risk.

13 Comments

Ragnaveil12/20/2019, 5:15:41 PM5 votes

It wont be mana, because its clear they dont want mages worrying about mana (hence why items got reworked into their favor, and removed a large part of their weakness)

hhaavviikk12/20/2019, 1:39:28 PM4 votes

Get rid of his instant root, seriously we've gone through god knows how many reworks and they refuse to get rid of his bloody instant root, normally when they rework a champion they don't give a crap about keeping any of theirabilities yet with ryze they are adamant about keeping the root.

Boomer12/20/2019, 11:37:39 AM3 votes

He is giga busted because of the CD of his E. At 40% CDR, rank 5, it's 1.35s CD. That means he has a 701 base damage + 1.83 AP scaling (even ignoring mana scaling, those are stupid, ridiculous, bonkers insane numbers) EQ combo on a 1.35s CD. The base damage and AP scaling of that EQ combo is one of the highest, if not the highest, in the game. To put this into perspective a FULLY CHARGED Nunu ult does 1275 + 2.5 AP. Ryze beats this with 2 EQ combos, 2.7s....less time than Nunu needs to fully charge that fucking thing. And, that's the hardest hitting non-DoT ultimate in the game, to boot.

What Riot really should do is simply nerf the shit out of the CD of his E. Make it 6s at max rank. That way, even with capped CDR, there is still a 3.6s window for him to be punished if he misses his EQ. There is another reason I chose 6s max rank. Currently, it is possible to Q E someone, wait for the E CD, then flash (or walk up if possible) W Q E Q, getting the benefit of both empowered W and Q in one combo. This would not be possible with the 3.6s 40CDR CD, because E lasts 3s.

He would absolutely need some number tweaks following this, but it's at least a starting point that is viable, makes the champion have some choices, and not just be a braindead EQ spambot.

WatchDogs Legion12/20/2019, 10:11:59 AM3 votes

Yeah Ryze rune prison range is fucking stupid LOL


They need to lower his spell range

WoonStruck12/20/2019, 8:45:16 AM2 votes

Make Spell Flux only empower damage to champions or something at the very least.

XzMln12/20/2019, 10:00:17 PM1 votes

As a Ryze player, make his ult a self teleport not allied to tone down on his pro play presence. Nerf his e scaling, remove mana scaling and change w somehow.

GodlyBane12/21/2019, 4:40:41 AM1 votes

nerf range, buff numbers. Result:

Abyssal mask melee Ryze