Shaco still needs nerfs

R0ses R Red·11/15/2019, 8:36:53 PM·32 votes·12,147 views

He has a 54% WR, but that's not even what concerns me the most about him. It's that being a laner against Shaco means you CANNOT trade into your enemy anytime Shaco is on your side of the map, which means you're not allowed to play aggressively for whole minutes. Ever since that stupid Q powershift(longer duration earlier, shorter duration later), Shaco has been able to hop past wards & bushes VERY early making it impossible to detect his ganks. This is to contrast Shaco's old Q, which often forced him to pass by a ward if he wanted to maintain invisibility long enough to get behind an enemy. Shaco SIMPLY existing on the map gives his team too big an edge. On a related note, I don't know why everyone has gone silent regarding him. All Riot did was get rid of Shaco's level 3 cheese, he's still as broken as ever.

33 Comments

Jimmy Rustles11/15/2019, 8:58:36 PM11 votes

But shaco is totally only played by one tricks and is a super high skill champ

Sarcasm over

He was strong before the rework and was busted after it, kneecap the clown already

Total Violation11/16/2019, 4:05:37 AM10 votes

But the mains will tell you he is the weakest champion ever and he needs serious steroid injections.

ClaireRedfield11/15/2019, 9:49:43 PM9 votes

Optimal use of Q is still to walk behind target while ganking saving the Q for when they flash. Stealth is absolutely not needed to gank and other champions can also bypass wards including but not limited to..... Evelynn Hecarim Khazix LeeSin Rengar JarvanIV Zac

You can also just lane gank as any champion from fog of war using bushes. Shacos power increase is from his E being turned back into magic damage so penetration actually works with it and his passive applying every hit. (Like old Shaco it was often best to stutter step towards him when he attacked or full out brawl with him than to straight up run.)

5050BS11/16/2019, 5:48:17 AM5 votes

Yes he does. His Stealth needs more then the "poof" as a indication he is around.

Eve is the most healthy stealth in the game.

ttv Pennywise11/16/2019, 2:26:47 PM4 votes

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Rengar Top Lane11/16/2019, 2:07:19 PM3 votes

Bring back control wards/oracles disabling traps and he'll be easier to fight. I just find it annoying how much presence his traps have when cdr/spamming them in creating a "safe zone" happens. Surprised this hasn't been looked into further, Riot (20 second nerf is nothing in lane).

Sir Saltarin11/16/2019, 4:01:17 AM2 votes

Yes.

Rıots Bad Client11/15/2019, 11:04:11 PM1 votes

I think his Q should change to camouflage from Invisible. This make his Slippery be toned down significantly. (But I think it should be a (rakan Auto Range) Indicator)

And I think When you press your Q, it should Auto recall You R(IF available) and put it in camouflage state as well On the Opposite side of where you Blinked.

HA I am Shaco HA11/16/2019, 7:47:47 PM1 votes

A majority of Shaco players do well because of the enemies stupidity. Yes he's very oppressive early but if you can drag the game out long enough, he will fall off and perform pretty much worse than all other champions in the game. He can only get kills late game if the enemy split pushes alone or gets separated from their team. As for his stealth, release Shaco had a 5 second stealth at all ranks, 2016 pre rework Shaco had 3.5 seconds at all ranks, and now he starts at 2.25 seconds, the range has been shortened and the length has been shortened. The goal of his rework was literally to make him an early game champion so they cannot change his stealth at all. His clear speed has already been slowed down a lot so that can't be touched either. As for you saying the nerf did nothing, I highly doubt it did nothing but get rid of his level 3 cheese, it has harmed ALL of his laning power.