Truthfully, I love the new jungle. But the philosophy of jungling will never change

And that philosophy is early game ganking > all. The changes to this jungle were fantastic honestly. People like to pretend the old jungle was a chess match, that it was a complicated mess that required a ton of thought process behind it. While there is some truth to that, the reality was this: pick shit that can gank early. Worry about scaling later. Reading the enemy jungler isn't really hard as long as you get a good idea of where they start. All you have to do is pay attention to comps and see which lanes are most vulnerable and if all else fails, camp bot lane.

This jungle is awesome. It forces you to consider your starting point, it forces you to balance ganking with clearing. It forces you to limited ganking opportunities since it can beat you up unless you're a high sustained base jungle. Every camp comes with a strength but you lose out on any other strength you picked up with along the way to utilize this. This is awesome, this is actual strategic approach. This is forcing junglers to gamble on ganking or bank on sustaining and getting a few more levels. That's why so many junglers are struggling now, it's not as simple as gank away gank away - at least not as simple as it once was.

At its core though, this jungle or any jungle will always be dominated by any early game ganking jungler. Even though there is much greater decision making involved in this jungle, it's still the same: pick shit that can gank early. Lee Sin, Jarvan, Olaf, Pantheon, Xin and Vi are probably the most common junglers. I might exclude Xin currently but I expdct to see more of him soon. Why? Great ganking early. But the two champions that are the most dominant? Lee and J4. Because unlike the rest aside from Vi (who pays a significant price for this), they get even stronger ganks post 6. As I noted, Vi pays a hefty price: 150 sec CD lvl 1 ult. Everyone else, while they're ganks do get stronger, they're not really that much greater. Pantheons ganks just become "well if I was pantheon, where would I ult to right now."

So what's my point? It's simple really. Lee was s4s best jungler, Jarvan was season 3s. And now, despite all the changes, they're still by far top tier, 1 and 1a. There's a lot of reasons behind this but I believe the biggest issue with them is how dominant they are early with chilling smite and how they ramp up another level at 6 with their ults, with relatively lower CDs (both of which could easily have 150 Sec cD lvl 1 ults and should). They scale well with or without gold (vi doesn't scale as well without gold but arguably scales the best with it). So why on earth would I play skarner, Malphite, etc. when they sustain better in the jungle early but their pressure can't match until 6? I wouldn't.

• That's my point honestly. J4 and Lee need real nerfs, they need nerfs that either solidify them as all early game with a few draw backs or weaken their early games in exchange for better late games (but j4s late game is already best). But switching around their power becomes less practical. Honestly, if I were to change anything, I'd start at significantly increasing their level 1 ult CDs to at LEAST 140 seconds. They already have powerful pre6 ganks, there's no reason for them to have more spammable ganks than a malph or vi that are just as strong.

The list goes on in terms of what should be done with j4 and Lee but you're approaching rework territory at that point and I wouldn't dare dive into that atm. People aren't even willing to accept that j4 is OP as shit yet.