Why do people insist on playing adcs and then going 0/10 ?

option paralysis·Sep 16, 2018·5 votes·2,015 views

Literally every game on either side one bot lane loses so hard it makes the game 3v5/4v5. And everybody insist on playing adcs because "they're back in the meta duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh". And then go 0/10 and lose the game because they didn't get all the cs on the map and we didn't serve 50 hp enemies for him to right click so he can get gold. In reality, if they picked heimer/swain/vlad/brand/fiddle etc... they would be useful even if very behind and wouldn't get one shot so easily without doing any dmg. But because they're not played by everyone, most people don't want to play mages bot anymore... sheeps.

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Armored YokaiSep 16, 20184 votes

Because everyone still comes bot and camps them

Wolfalisk318Sep 16, 20184 votes

I don't play ADC but I main Support, and I think there are reasons why this is, beyond just the assertion that people who play ADC's are all toxic assholes.

There is no skill expression in our lane anymore. 8/10 (in some cases 9/10) of the players in the game have visited our lane by the tenth minute for one reason or another, it completes disrupts the lane (even allies), and we can't comfortably (or even uncomfortably) do the dance of laning properly. We're all tilted and we just lose our composure until mid-late game or in many cases permanently because the Top lane Irelia has ten kills at fifteen minutes.
Bottom lane ganks are a free kill for meta Junglers if you are more than 2 feet from your tower, pretty much every time. I've had to train myself to not even attempt to Flash anymore because I'm still free regardless. Can't make plays at all because of this reality.

BestPudgeNASep 16, 20181 votes

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Bottom lane ganks are a free kill for meta Junglers if you are more than 2 feet from your tower, pretty much every time. I've had to train myself to not even attempt to Flash anymore because I'm still free regardless. Can't make plays at all because of this reality.

As a jungler Bot lane feels ungankable with the current state of the game, legit the bot lane is equal to or above my level during almost the entire laning phase and i need the support to engage the fight for me because with how how damage is currently if i try to start it up i can legit get 1 shot and before my ADC gets into position to auto.

On the other hand when i play support my role+ the ADC feels so powerful like game is just free if we win the 2 v 2. So i pick E max fiddle every game and basically haven't lost a game in 3 or 4 patches in my off role. I suspect that's why Nami has such a high wing rate in solo Q nowdays, she basically auto wins most lane phases.

Better JunglerSep 16, 20182 votes

Lately it really has been almost every game I have an adc that does really poorly. I'm not sure why.

not necessarily 0/10.. but 2-6, 1-8 etc.

They usually come back late game though..

Maybe early itemization just doesn't favor them with the heavy gank meta in jungle right now ^.^

JalixSep 16, 20181 votes

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Lately it really has been almost every game I have an adc that does really poorly. I'm not sure why.

not necessarily 0/10.. but 2-6, 1-8 etc.

They usually come back late game though..

Maybe early itemization just doesn't favor them with the heavy gank meta in jungle right now ^.^

depending on which champion is the ADC can mean a lot as well, a few ADCs get really strong late game but they die in like 2 hits early game

OtterlyLostSep 16, 20182 votes

As many other people have said, ADCs and Supports have the least amount of agency with their laning phase; its all bot lane parties either from the Jungler or the mid or both. Their lane isn't decided by them and even if they happen to do well, it doesn't really fucking matter if Top lane has fed a bruiser.

That said, why people pick ADC still couldn't possibly be because they enjoy playing ADC. >_>; That's like asking,"Why do people pick Assassins instead of mages?! AT LEAST IF THEY FED ON A MAGE, THEY'D STILL HAVE UTILITY AND BE USEFUL!" or like asking,"Why do people pick Bruisers?! At least if they were a tank, they'd have CC!"

The short answer is because they don't want to. They want to play what they want to play since this is kind of like, Iunno, a game? That people play to have fun? What a novel idea!!!

And this doesn't even equate into Mages =/= ADCs. The two playstyles are vastly different and have next to nothing in common. One is spell based, usually has skillshots, and usually serves a far different purpose and the other is AA based with limited skillshots. At least most Assassins can be seen as similar to Mages in that they're caster based and combo reliant. Or bruisers can be seen as similar to tanks because they're beefy and usually can engage a fight and cause disruption. Mages and ADCs play nothing alike; why would an ADC main pick an mage? Do you want them to feed worse?

JoeAnarchySep 16, 20181 votes

the reason people don't play mages botlane anymore, is that ADC's got just enough of a buff that they can out CS them early game, and can teamfight better mid-late game.. i'm all for diversity in the bot lane, so long as all bot lane classes are viable.. sadly, if marksmen as a whole are viable, other classes aren't.. it's the painful nature of the beast.. but the botlane meta is super coinflippy.. does your jungle gank enough to get you ahead? does the enemy jungle do it for their team? can your support help support you enough? can you outplay your opponent? and your teamates are all just like "can our bot lane do this?"

when playing odds, always assume you're gonna lose, and go from there.. so the likelihood that your team is gonna be the one to lose the coinflip should always be looked at with a 60% instead of a 50%.. that's why it feels like your botlane loses more often than it wins.

420 gramsSep 16, 20181 votes

“We outscale them"

BestPudgeNASep 16, 20181 votes

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Literally every game on either side one bot lane loses so hard it makes the game 3v5/4v5. And everybody insist on playing adcs because "they're back in the meta duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh". And then go 0/10 and lose the game because they didn't get all the cs on the map and we didn't serve 50 hp enemies for him to right click so he can get gold. In reality, if they picked heimer/swain/vlad/brand/fiddle etc... they would be useful even if very behind and wouldn't get one shot so easily without doing any dmg. But because they're not played by everyone, most people don't want to play mages bot anymore... sheeps.

I found it weird that you would say something that's so far from what i've experienced. Then i decided to go your op.gg and see that the better ADC was 12-2 in your match history...

It's almost like ADCs are broken and not weak.

ShleelpboySep 16, 20181 votes

Welcome to League Of Legends where Adc meta is gone, welcome to conqueror mode.

JalixSep 16, 20181 votes

yea, i used to run ADC back around when udyr first released, ended up quitting a bit after that as well i remember one build i used would allow me to 1v5 the other team as ashe as long as i kited them and didnt act stupid.

coming back now, i actually feel like ADC isn't in the same place it used to be, ofc it could just be im rusty and need to get good.

now the last game i played in 5v5 top lane and even my support were tilted i was running ques with them, hell even i got tilted and said something to our jungle.

our jungle came bot when the enemy was under their turret, wasnt there when we needed them, they attempted a gank top when top was again under turret....

then ofc around level 6 the enemy jungle started hardcore harassing bot and our jungle/mid lane never once popped over to see whats up until someone got toxic