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Remember when ignite was a niche pick that was taken on high kill pressure champions to secure a strong laning phase, and not so busted that it's basically required to survive lane?
Me too man, me too.
Jaygo4146 votes"Heal?? What the fuck are you doing?"
Reset2131 votesYea, I was confused when i came back to league maining supp and people screaming at me because i had heal or exhaust/ instead of ignite.
OtterlyLost16 votesWell they're lowering heals CD. Not that it does much since ignite inflicts grievous wounds
CasterGilgamesh2 votesaw yes that juicy 30 seconds saved off heal will definitely do the trick /s
Salron2 votesThe 30s nerf to heal not long ago was what made people stop taking it in the first place So yeah, it will do the trick
Fízz v210 votesIts not like there always were people taking ignite top mid and support Kappa
Marshbouy44 votesI rarely saw this many ignites on a team at the frequency that you see in season 8. Flash/ignite has a 34.4% pick rate, the highest out of all summmoner spell cominations by 15%
This isn't usual. Ignite is over powered.
ModAcademy Kayn3 votesWhat is Ignite's Pickrate on a graph over multiple seasons? Because that means more than just a pickrate, when Flash especially is in all of the top 8.
CasterGilgamesh3 votesFlash has been grossly overpowered since the start of the game it needs to be removed no matter how many nerfs it will always be must pick but riot is a small indie company so they dont have the resources to re-balance the game away from flash after removing it
YumaS2Astral5 votesFlash has been grossly overpowered since the start of the game it needs to be removed no matter how many nerfs it will always be must pick but riot is a small indie company so they dont have the resources to re-balance the game away from flash after removing it
Riot can't remove Flash without making the game a mess for weeks, peharps months, or even an entire season.
Not to mention, removing Flash would instantly invalidate every champion that had no dashes or strong movement speed boosts.
Ulquiorra01232 votesThe game is balanced around flash, like the summoner spell is the center of all balance in the game. It will never be nerfed or removed, it isn't broken, it is perfectly fine. They did a fantastic job putting everything into orbit around that summoner, if that makes sense as an analogy.
Eviant1 votesAnd what do you propose they do with Ashe? Or Olaf, or many other champs who have no dashes, no actual ability dedicated to an actual escape. There has to be something for them, despite it needing to be available for everyone else.
Flash is generally a pick no matter what. The spell is not for mistakes, but for positional play. Juking an ability with Ashe, making the over the wall pick with Irelia, surprise ult from Amumu, who then bandages into the back line to pin down said Ashe. People are so focused on using it for "Covering mistakes" that they really don't actually get what Flash is used for.
I use ghost on both Olaf and Vlad, as they need less instant moves, and more sustained fights. And generally speaking, ghost is better. Almost half the CD, travel much greater distances, and allows for so much more mobility. But it's susceptible to CC, to dashes (Therefore not a reliable escape tool) and since it's not instant, requires more planning for jukes and escapes.
The real problem comes into the fact that despite Flash being an ok spell, it's more prevalent for a couple of reasons.
Overall, it's not that Flash is overly strong, it's just that the other options aren't up to snuff.
IGN Sandman1 votesRiot not a small indie company.... they are owned by tencent. huge tech company.... "In February 2011, Tencent paid $400 million for a 93 percent stake in Riot Games. Tencent bought the remaining 7 percent in December 16, 2015; the price was not disclosed."
7 hours ago on cnn money: "Tencent (TCEHY) said that revenue from online games had dropped 19% from the previous quarter to 17.6 billion ($2.6 billion), a swing it attributed a lack of sales from popular tactical tournament games and the timing of new game releases."
no links as I don't feel including external links here is ok. You can search it with google easy.
They have plenty of money and ability to make any change they need to.... 17.6 Billion in revenue in 3 months. They are the owners of "arena of valor" as well.
CasterGilgamesh1 votesi was being sarcastic about the small Indie company part
Marshbouy3 votesI don't know I wasn't able to find a site that would display pick rate over time.
The whataboutism with flash is stupid. It is such an integral part of the game at this point that changing it would be catastrophic.
ModAcademy Kayn1 votesAh, I didn't mean it like that with Flash. I said Flash, cause if Pickrate was the only concern, Flash would be an issue. But if you look at a graph over time, you'd see if there was or wasn't an increase in pickrate of ignite, and whether or not it matches historical averages of ignite being picked.
Marshbouy1 votesWhere is this magical "graph over time" that you've found?
RayleighTT2 votesbasically it force every hero who have no mobility skills to run into play flash , so they made the game balance that every old hero needs flash to do something ...
ModAcademy Kayn1 votesI don't have one, that's why I say "if" and "Was or wasn't", since the answer is up in the air. "
Marshbouy1 votesI see now
PurpleKingCrazy1 votesMeanwhile, Smite/ignite jungle will win 3% more than flash ignite combination. :}
Jefftiffy1 votesI rarely saw this many ignites on a team at the frequency that you see in season 8. Flash/ignite has a 34.4% pick rate, the highest out of all summmoner spell cominations by 15%
This isn't usual. Ignite is over powered.
As someone who played in season 3 this is actually normal when Ignite is actually on par with heal. In season 3 
and 
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were the most common bot lane set ups with top lane usually having about a 1:4 ratio of 
to . Mid lane almost always ran or . And back then kill times weren't ridiculous, but then again back then you had higher base stats and heal and ignite did less
SweedishGunner20 votesAre you addicted to downvotes?
Anin7779 votesIf you take anything besides ignite top, mid and supp, you are playing with a handicap.
KlydeFrog1 votesSure what ever you tell yourself.
Anin7771 votesSure what ever you tell yourself.
It's a fact. Don't be delusional. https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/spells
giantZorg8 votesSomeone didn't get the memo and still took heal.
Rathar Dashing4 votesIt's in my support-y nature to do so, I can't stop it.
Modl Ryden l3 votesChhh
I remember my friends and I taking both 
in season 1 just to fuck with the enemy team.
"Who da jungler?"
"Who da support?"
"Meta undefined, what do?"
Ariel the Cruel1 votesI remember people taking Clairvoyance too scope who who was going to what lane.
TeCoolMage1 votesrip clairvoyance :C
SennaFirstPick1 votesi used to run it with lux supp if i had an ez bot back in season 3-4
rtbf2256182412 votesShould swap out Heal for Ignite and the Jungler should swap out Flash for Ignite. :P
Ariel the Cruel1 votesJungler should swap out Flash for Ignite. :P
A tad behind the times? ;p
rtbf2256182411 votesYou're the 2nd person to make this joke...Shaco is the only Jungler who uses Ignite consistently, realistically.
Kynami1 votesIt was a solid option on Eve before the latest rework as well... since you had an outright obnoxious level 2 and 3 that you could snowball off of with that ignite.
Otarie531 votesI remember when the whole viable midlaners pool was fizz, ahri and leblanc.
I'm glad we have too many people take ignite as a meta concern now.
Sorry if i'm being an old shit.
SMOKE THIS1 votesBack in the day everyone took ignite except adc (barrier) and sometimes supp
Ariel the Cruel3 votesBack in the day, people took clairvoyance or fortify. ;p
Please End Mee1 votesYeah, I play support, Enchanters at that, and I used to always take Exhaust, but now I feel like if I don't take Ignite I'm basically asking to lose lane. It's a shame to, because Exhaust can be so helpful in the late game, but in this meta if you don't win lane, you will rarely win the game.
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Yeah, I play support, Enchanters at that, and I used to always take Exhaust, but now I feel like if I don't take Ignite I'm basically asking to lose lane. It's a shame to, because Exhaust can be so helpful in the late game, but in this meta if you don't win lane, you will rarely win the game.
ill run ignite on damage based or kill lane type supports.. but if im playing someone like a janna or nami i run exhaust cause its another form of peel...
Fargo791 votesI used to run Clarity/Flash for my mid mages.. when the released all these no mana champs and then nerfed the crap out of mana regen items clarity was a huge help to keep me in lane.. i used to see how long i could stay in lane without recalling.. lvl 13 was my record with morg..
lolipopevelynn1 votesAre we talking before after they added barrier as a summoner to rift? Because before barrier ignite was taken bot and mid almost all the time. After barrier you only seen barrier as a direct counter to ignite.
RayleighTT1 votesshaco mains play with ignite and smite , so not even jungler not playing without ignite ,that says much , as adc mainer i should just rush ignite too and base my reheal on lifesteal , why not , at least ignite is more helpfull on bot 2 ignites 1000 true damage
RayleighTT1 voteslook like exhaust will need a buff soon riot , 2.5 seconds 40% off ain't that much , in 2.5 seconds you barrely hit 2 auto attacks , and if it's used just to slow you that's not so effective too , so i wonder what will happen to exhaust? are we delete it ?
SpongebobIsLife1 votesidk, i remember back when i started playing in season 3 and even up to early season 4, it wasn't uncommon to see ignite in 3 lanes (exh was takin hal fo the time by supprts and id say top took tp 60 percent of the time )
xxx6Wizard9xxx1 votesYou forgot ghostcrawler jerking off on player feedback and post
Weiss Guertena1 votesAll I see is Ignite not being strong enough. I mean, ADC is still taking Heal and jungler is packing Flash over Ignite - Riot should nerf TP again because "it is used too often, buff Ignite and then wonder why is everyone complaining about the state of the game.
