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Can we stop beating around the bush Riot

Divewing··2 votes·645 views

I realise you don't like nerfing champions "identity" and "unique aspects of their kit" but let's be real. Some of these (Riven Q cooldown) are just totally toxic (Vayne self peel to stave off weaknesses) in conjunction with the rest of their kit (Azir Q damage).

We've seen what happens when you cling on to what makes a champion broken (Kassadin mobility, Evelynn stealth, Yasuo double-crit chance), and while it might suck to see some of these things get nerfed, adapted, or even removed completely, it would certainly be for the best.

I've noticed more nerfs to Azir, and lo and behold, his Q damage CONTINUES to go unchanged. Honestly Azir perplexes me the most since his Q for the most part is the most underwhelming part of his kit. I speak for myself here, not sure how many other Azir players would agree, but I'd be totally fine with Q being solely for repositioning and applying the slow. It would provide more counterplay as well because people won't get chunked for 1/2 their health before being able to respond.

I'll tell why I started League, because I initially hated it, and it was when my brother showed me Yasuo. Suddenly I had 2k RP and bought him instantly, I played him near non-stop til level 30, all the time blinded to how boring he really was from a few things:

  1. wonder at how good the game was (never played a moba before)
  2. loved playing Yasuo for thematic reasons
  3. had no understanding of how the game even vaguely worked

Naturally though, number 1 and 2 lost most of their luster with time and 3 changed with experience, and only recently did I realise I didn't like playing Yasuo's kit. It's so cheesy and gimmicky and the play style his stupid passive forces on you is boring. I have to be so careful ulting so I don't end up like: "that was a sick ult, oh hey I blew up". Why couldn't Yasuo have been a top lane bruiser? Why the hell does he even NEED 2x crit. His whole kit has suffered at some point due to that passive.

And it seems you still haven't learnt from that. And I don't want to be forced into playing Azir as a poke Mage because you refuse to nerf his Q damage.

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Only Aatrox2 votes

You should play a champion because you enjoy them. If you think yasuo is boring then don't play him its simple. The whoel point os a strategy moba is that you have to be careful and think about what you do, where you oppenents are and not run in guns blazing ulting everythign in sight. If that kind of play style isn't to your liking play a differnet game but don't hate on Riot. Some of us enjoy the complexity league has to offer. Also you can play Yasuo as a top lane bruiser.

Divewing2 votes

I CAN play Yasuo as top bruiser (I've tried) but I might as well choose someone else, there are many champs that could do the same but better. My problem is that his 2x crit suffocates him from being able to build basically anything else. The most creative thing that's happened so far has been "let's use trinity force". Look at where it's put him, he's in a gimmicky state where he's a god in the mid game for about 5 minutes.

Only Aatrox1 votes

That's not ture it doesn't suffocate him at all. Sure 2x crit make those items more efficient but you have to consider that life steal is amplified by this as well. So cou can go Shyv, BT and the tanky wich gives you incredible sustain decent damage and a lot of tankyness. I understand if you don't like playing Yasuo, he's not for everyone, there are champs I played a lot because I thought I liked them but then decided they weren't for me after all, once I understood their kit a nd play style a bit better. Just try a different champion, maybe one that suits your play style more. If you like goingin balls to the wall try a tanky champion like Sion or Shyvana.

Divewing2 votes

Have you tried a build without shiv? Just out of curiosity

Only Aatrox1 votes

Tried a Tri Force BORK build once, rushing Bork first. But that was ages ago couldn't tell you how that game went form me. Shyv is just too good an item on him not to get it. But I usually never rush shyv like you used to, I actually think a bork rush is a lot better on him, or at least cutlass and then shyv.

AkabaneKun2 votes

Riven Q CD is 13 at all levels, it just starts counting in the first Q making it look small, and riven rushes 40%, if you rush 40% with other charcs you will also spam stuff non stop.

Lee sin Q just for comparison, has 1100 range also starts the CD on the first cast and at lvl 5 has 7 CD, now put 40% on those 7 secs plus the fact he can wait 3 secs before jumping on you and he can almost chain 2 in a row.

Divewing2 votes

I'm aware of rivens Q cooldown, and that's my problem, it gives the opposing laner such a tiny window of opportunity, it might as well not be there.

I've given up on Lee Sin. I mean he literally just got a double buff. Riots favourite child.

General Murica1 votes

{quoted}

Riven Q CD is 13 at all levels, it just starts counting in the first Q making it look small, and riven rushes 40%, if you rush 40% with other charcs you will also spam stuff non stop.

Lee sin Q just for comparison, has 1100 range also starts the CD on the first cast and at lvl 5 has 7 CD, now put 40% on those 7 secs plus the fact he can wait 3 secs before jumping on you and he can almost chain 2 in a row.

Give riven energy mkay

SEKAI2 votes

Wrong.

Most champs become broken due to a combination of certain characteristics instead of merely possessing a property.

Divewing2 votes

Can somewhat agree. Are these all just overloaded or broken?

SEKAI2 votes

{quoted}

Can somewhat agree. Are these all just overloaded or broken?

Not really. Just bad, mismanaged or poorly developed/explored combo.

Some can get tweaked and be fine, some just can't, hence reworks.

Faith Breaker1 votes

You bought a Champ with Riot Points.

Immortal Fenix2 votes

I occasionally buy T5 (Most expensive.) champs with RP if they're on sale, or champs that are new to the game that I just LOVE the look of (Cough.ViCough.), so I wouldn't say this is a bad thing upfront.

Faith Breaker1 votes

I stated a fact. I didn't put my opinion in there at all. Nice way to extrapolate and comprehend what you want. Context in text. State a fact and people get butthurt. I don't even get how you two made that jump but I guess it speaks more about yourselves then it does me.

Divewing2 votes

Because its wasted words. "You bought a Champ with Riot Points." I had already stated I did so, did you feel the need to repeat it? Obviously you aren't asking for confirmation since its a statement not a question. What you put is very ambiguous, and you didn't leave anything else there, so how can you blame us for forming our own conclusions?

Faith Breaker1 votes

Who are you to decide if my words are a waste or not? By your own fairness your own words are wasted. You're a pretty foul minded person.

HexaDecimel1 votes

Through text, KittyKat in no way came across as butthurt. I don't even get how you made that jump, but I guess it speaks more about yourself then it does them.

Faith Breaker1 votes

I'm not talking about KittyKat. I'm gonna ask Riot investigates your trolling and toxic forum activity.

HexaDecimel1 votes

Lol, hey maybe then they might notice some of the questions I have asked them in the past that went unanswered. ;)

Faith Breaker1 votes

I think everyone has unanswered questions they'd like to Riot to address, that's an ongoing issue I see.

Divewing2 votes

My mistake, it sounds like you are judging me

Cruk1 votes

Yasuo is far from broken, he has a lot of uniqueness in his kit, which is really cool to see champions like him on the rift, more complex champions keep coming out. Instead of removing kits and passive's you need to understand that riot will never just take something away from a champion without giving it something in return.

If you dont like playing Yasuo, or you find it boring, stop playing him. Suggest number buffs or nerfs, or look into the state of the game to understand why Yasuo is picked more than normal or not. He is a melee AD DPS champion with high damage, but his ult actually doesnt have significant numbers, it's his ability to persist in fights and continue to deal damage. Just like you would to any normal AP carry or a zed, or talon, hard cc them and burst. Thats how you deal with all of those champions, Yasuo is especially weak to cc. Tons of people hate playing CC champs in solo queue because "I WERNT TO DALE TUNS OF DMG" so they pick mids like Kat, or Diana, or Talon, etc, if you pick cc you will have infinitely more success in the mid lane. CC wins games.

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